That is 100% correct. BTW, most of the 'hobbyist' modules such as those which connect to a raspberry pi are neither certified or approved. You can usually get away with it with a sim swap but some carriers are really fussy (aka verizon).
But I'm really interested in finding out what you originally asked.... Is anyone already doing something similar on their network? -forrest On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Forrest can correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like certification is > necessary if you take a 'raw' module from Sierra Wireless or a competitor > and integrate it into your product and are talking to it by AT commands. > > If you buy a wholly integrated radio product such as an HSPA+/LTE modem > that has a 100/1000 Mbps Ethernet interface, or a USB interface, the device > itself is already certified. At which point you just need to integrate it > into your product using the ethernet port or USB. > > Or for example the HSPA+/LTE HWIC which you can put in a Cisco 2900 or > 3900 series router. It is already certified. You just have to attach a pair > of antennas and some 50 ohm coax to it. > > > http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/interfaces-modules/4g-lte-wireless-wan-enhanced-high-speed-wan-interface-card/datasheet_c78-710314.html > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> What about a USB LTE adapter, and give your unit a USB port? >> >> I'm saying this from the comfort of my armchair, so maybe that's too hard >> / too stupid. >> >> >> >> On 3/8/2016 3:02 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: >> >> Pre-certified does not mean permitted on a network. >> >> If you buy the sierra gateway solutions which is an all-in-one box, this >> is considered a product, and the hoops have been jumped through by sierra >> wireless. >> >> On the other hand the 'modules' generally are pre-certified, but are not >> considered a finished product which means you have to go through a 'light' >> version of PTCRB testing. See the article at >> http://www.ecnmag.com/article/2012/07/cellular-carrier-certification-requirements >> , this sums it up pretty well. The thing that has changed for me is the >> cost of the AT&T certification even with a pre-certified "almost automatic" >> approval, was really expensive until recently. >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> If you were to take a module from Sierra Wireless, aren't those pretty >>> much all pre-certified? >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) < >>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I still want everyone else's answer to this... but I'll add my $0.02: >>>> (I guess what I'm saying is I don't want to hijack this thread....since >>>> I'm interested in everyone's answers.) >>>> >>>> I've been looking at adding a product to the PacketFlux line which uses >>>> a cellular modem to manage it. The hold up until recently has been the >>>> arrogance of the cellular companies, especially in the US. Getting a >>>> cellular modem module and integrating it isn't a big issue for us (I've >>>> been playing with this for a while). Jumping through the hoops the >>>> cellular companies require for this IS a big deal, and historically has >>>> cost a lot of money. It is amazing how you can take a module which the >>>> cellular companies have pre-approved on their network, but it still costs >>>> $20K to certify a product which uses the module as it was intended to be >>>> permitted to talk on their network. Add a SKU? Another 10K, even if it's >>>> virtually identical hardware. >>>> >>>> Recently AT&T has softened their policies on this to permit >>>> pre-certified modules on the network (supposedly) without jumping through >>>> the expensive hoops. So, this may be happening sooner than I would have >>>> expected. I sort of am envisioning some sort of hybrid connection to the >>>> sitemonitor line, plus ability to control other devices via snmp or telnet. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers >>>>> at a crucial POP. >>>>> >>>>> $6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though >>>>> the $/MB rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it >>>>> would be console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth. >>>>> >>>>> https://ting.com/rates >>>>> >>>>> For LTE they're an MVNO on AT&T and T-Mobile. >>>>> >>>>> Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and >>>>> monitored on a per-device basis, which could be useful. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* >>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 >>>> <forre...@imach.com>forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com >>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> >>>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* >> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 >> <forre...@imach.com>forre...@imach.com | <http://www.packetflux.com/> >> http://www.packetflux.com >> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> >> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> >> >> >> > -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
