The ones that do not believe immunizations are good for their children are making decisions based on belief and not recurring evidence. They have every right to make that decision. They are also not MADE to be immunized in most situations, although many schools and school districts will require it. It does not prevent one from sending kids to private schools, or home schooling. Discussions with the school board can often override this policy.
*Not* being immunized however can have a direct, measurable, negative impact on population health, although it is worth noting that there needs to be more studies done on immunizations and the human genome. On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:22 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Look at those that believe immunizations are bad/good for their kids. > The arguments on both sides mirrors our religion vs science based fervor. > > Take religion out of it. People have strong opinions about many things. > > And you will always be pissed off when the others win and they force their > beliefs on you. > If you do not set your clock ahead, you are going to hell. > > -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 1:19 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Paul Ryan > > Law is based on religion. The decalogue. > Legislation is based on law. > You will never be able to get free from religion. > > -----Original Message----- From: Josh Reynolds > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 1:15 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Paul Ryan > > Religious based legislation is any legislation based on religious > texts that impacts large bodies of people who are not given a choice. > > Science based decision makings are those where theories have been > brought together, tested, tested again, hopefully tested again, and > then a reasonable expectation of correctness proven. Otherwise it's > just a guess and not science. > > That said, this is not about climate change (which I have never stated > a position on one way or the other, so "my worship of climate change" > likely doesn't apply). > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:09 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Then I move... if you will allow me to. >> Otherwise I am in a minor holocaust. >> >> How do you identify religious based legislation? If I think your worship >> of >> climate change (which I actually believe in) is a religion of secular >> humanism, then to me that is religious based legislation. >> >> In other words, if you get the wiff that my support may be based on >> ancient >> writings, or the vision I had between 2&4 in the morning, it must be >> religion? >> >> But if my support is based on a brain tumor that is inducing the visions >> between 2&4 in the morning, it is based on science even thought I might >> think it is God. Which is it? >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Josh Reynolds >> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 1:03 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Paul Ryan >> >> Hypothetical: I'm going to pose Shari Law on you, and you can't avoid it. >> >> Now tell me why it's okay to support religious based legislation with >> a straight face. >> >> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:27 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Take belief and religion out. >>> >>> By YOU supporting legislation that affects the population as a whole you >>> are >>> also imposing beliefs. >>> >>> Climate change, ANWR, too many large sodas in NYC. Legislation imposes >>> the >>> beliefs of the many on the few. Irrespective of the reason. Religion, >>> insanity, tree hugging, hatred, all can be cited. >>> >>> Why is it wrong to support religion based legislation but those cite the >>> religion of social or hard science gets to skate free? If you worship >>> science as the standard of all truth, that is no different than me >>> listening >>> the the big boss whisper in my ear. >>> >>> Personally I believe science is the lens through which we look for God. >>> >>> From: Bruce Robertson >>> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 12:13 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Paul Ryan >>> >>> No, I want to go back to persecution. It is persecution because you >>> would >>> be trying to carry out the wishes of the boss as you understand them. Not >>> necessarily as I see those wishes. Therefore by supporting legislation >>> that >>> affects the population as a whole, you are imposing your beliefs upon me, >>> against my will. I may have the equally valid belief that the boss >>> upstairs >>> wants us all to accept guidance, but ultimately make decisions for >>> ourselves >>> (and of course take responsibility for those decisions). Someone with >>> such >>> beliefs would only support legislation that would make decisions such as >>> birth control, abortion, etc. completely up to each individual, her >>> conscience, and her relationship with the boss. >>> >>> ~sigh~ I swore I would never get involved in a political or religious >>> discussion. My apologies. >>> >>> On 03/13/2016 09:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> Nevermind the persecution thing, I didn’t fully read your post properly. >>> >>> From: Chuck McCown >>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:50 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>> >>> If I have a strong feeling that the guy in the sky that created all of us >>> hates the murder of babies, yes I will try to stop that via legislation. >>> How is that persecution? Just trying to carry out the wishes of the >>> boss. >>> He has promised me a pretty nice apartment if I give it a good try. >>> >>> Persecution? >>> >>> From: Josh Reynolds >>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:46 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>> >>> >>> So you wish to force your religious beliefs on others via legislation, in >>> a >>> country created to escape persecution from religion? >>> >>> On Mar 13, 2016 11:38 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Here is why a churches need to be involved with reproductive care, >>>> contraception, or abortion. >>>> >>>> If you believe there is a God, Creator, Savior etc. >>>> >Then if you believe that entity cares about these things (listed >>>> > >above). >>>> >>Then if you believe that the mind of that entity has communicated its >>>> >> wishes with man. >>>> >>>Then if you believe that those wishes are contained in doctrine of >>>> >>> churches or bodies of scripture. >>>> >>>>Then the church and its doctrine trumps all laws of man. >>>> The church needs to be involved in all facets of life. If you believe >>>> the >>>> above. >>>> >>>> You can claim to be agnostic or atheistic but a smart person should >>>> hedge >>>> their bets against actually not knowing that they are totally right >>>> about >>>> that. Could be that every time you eat spaghetti you are committing a >>>> mortal sin. Could be. >>>> >>>> For me and mine, I will take my particular flavor of Christianity and do >>>> my thing, while you do your thing. >>>> But if I have an opportunity to legislate away things I consider mortal >>>> sins, I will try. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Josh Reynolds >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:54 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>> >>>> >>>> Why does any church need to be involved with reproductive care, >>>> contraception, or abortion? >>>> >>>> Those are medical issues. >>>> >>>> On Mar 13, 2016 6:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Actually, my belief is here in the deep south we have a church on every >>>>> corner. Let the churches handle it....they are more than capable. >>>>> >>>>> My tax dollars aren't needed for this. (or many other things) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Ken Hohhof >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:18 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>> >>>>> What many people who lose sleep over Planned Parenthood are actually >>>>> upset about is they offer birth control. Some people obsess about poor >>>>> people having sex without the punishment of getting pregnant. See this >>>>> if >>>>> you forgot: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh%E2%80%93Sandra_Fluke_controversy >>>>> >>>>> I don’t understand how you can be extremely anti-abortion yet also >>>>> extremely anti-contraception. Less unwanted pregnancies = less >>>>> abortions. >>>>> Which is the lesser evil? >>>>> >>>>> I think it comes down to some people are obsessed with sex, especially >>>>> “other” people having sex. #nosyneighbors #getalife >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Josh Reynolds >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:48 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Did you research that video? You should. It's not what you think. >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 13, 2016 5:41 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yah, i'm kind of like Chuck here. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't care about gay marriage. I'm not gay, I know a handful of gay >>>>>> people. Not my cup of tea but the government doesn't have any right >>>>>> telling >>>>>> them what they can or can't do. >>>>>> >>>>>> Same with adoption for a gay couple - shut up gov'mt. Now, I'm not >>>>>> so >>>>>> sure on that. When I was growing up there were few gay couples who >>>>>> had >>>>>> "come out" and we thought if the girl had a different last name than >>>>>> her >>>>>> mommy we thought that was odd. Quite a bit different now but it could >>>>>> still >>>>>> screw with a kids head in terms of "traditional marriage". >>>>>> >>>>>> It would be hard to NOT state that traditional marriage has gone to >>>>>> hell >>>>>> in this country. But then again, so many "traditional" things have >>>>>> gone to >>>>>> hell. How many women stay at home and take care of the family while >>>>>> dad >>>>>> goes to work? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am in favor of defunding planned parenthood. The videos pretty much >>>>>> got to me. It's MY TAX DOLLARS. Defund it. There are plenty of >>>>>> other >>>>>> non-government-funded entities who can do that work. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any tax is bad :) >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm going to stop there, i will get in trouble... lol >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Josh Reynolds >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:02 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> His stances: >>>>>> Gay marriage is wrong >>>>>> He doesn't support adoption for a gay couple >>>>>> Defund planned parenthood >>>>>> Raising corporate tax is bad >>>>>> Voted yes for more sentencing and prosecution for juveniles. >>>>>> Wants to drill in ANWR >>>>>> Voted no on tax credits for renewable energy. >>>>>> Voted no on 4 weeks paid parental leave for federal employees. >>>>>> Votes for PATRIOT act over and over >>>>>> Voted to allow warantless electronic surveillance against us citizens >>>>>> Denied additional funding that would provide expanded child healthcare >>>>>> "Let's build a fence!" >>>>>> Voted NO on reporting / deporting illegal immigrants who received >>>>>> hospital treatment >>>>>> >>>>>> Etc. A few things I like him on, but mostly he's a "nope" for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 13, 2016 4:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey, I said I liked him. Just not full on man crush. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I didn’t see how his math added up for the budgets he proposed. There >>>>>>> were some missing pages where magic happened to balance the budget. >>>>>>> Seemed >>>>>>> like the same old voodoo economics. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So “man crush”, is that like Trump and Putin? At least Putin is >>>>>>> supposedly an 8th degree black belt. He would probably take care of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> protester himself. If Trump thinks he can bully the Putins of the >>>>>>> world, >>>>>>> I’m not so sure. I think McCain could take him in a fair fight. >>>>>>> Hell, >>>>>>> Bernie could probably take him. I was never fond of Nixon, but the >>>>>>> photo of >>>>>>> the “kitchen debate” with Khrushchev is a treasure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://spectator.org/articles/41740/how-handle-bully-nixon-vs-khrushchev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: CBB - Jay Fuller >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 4:19 PM >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have actually followed Paul Ryan since the first time he appeared >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> the national stage. Very impressed with him. Could almost call him >>>>>>> my "man >>>>>>> crush". I'd be interested in hearing what you do not like about him >>>>>>> Ken. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Ken Hohhof >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 2:04 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More >>>>>>> AfterChicago Violence >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the "establishment" is missing why people are fed up with >>>>>>> them, >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> not convinced it's about left or right. If I had to single out one >>>>>>> person >>>>>>> as the poster boy for why the establishment has failed us, it would >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> Mitch >>>>>>> McConnell. All 4 leaders in Congress have only been worried about >>>>>>> their own >>>>>>> power and re-election, but McConnell is the worst of a bad bunch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't agree with Paul Ryan's economics or some of his politics, but >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> what he has said since being elected Speaker. I would like to see if >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> are just words, or if he would translate them into actions. I don't >>>>>>> think >>>>>>> we will get to find out, election politics seem to have rendered him >>>>>>> irrelevant. And Mitch the Turtle would have to be replaced with >>>>>>> someone >>>>>>> actually interested in governing. I wonder what conservative goals >>>>>>> could >>>>>>> have been accomplished in the 7 years Mitch has spent trying to make >>>>>>> Obama >>>>>>> fail no matter how much damage it causes. Tort reform? Modifications >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> Obamacare? Fix sequestration? Tax reform? Immigration reform? >>>>>>> Mitch >>>>>>> doesn't care. Mitch cares about Mitch. That's the problem with the >>>>>>> establishment, they spend all their effort on getting elected and >>>>>>> staying in >>>>>>> power, they don't even pretend to do their job. And let me be clear, >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> not saying Pelosi, Reid and Boehner were much better, it's just >>>>>>> McConnell is >>>>>>> the most blatant hack of the bunch, every time I see him on TV I feel >>>>>>> he is >>>>>>> giving me the finger. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am probably fooling myself that Paul Ryan would be different, but I >>>>>>> don't >>>>>>> think we'll find out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Bill Prince >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:40 PM >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More >>>>>>> After >>>>>>> Chicago Violence >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IMO, Obama moved right, and the Republicans moved further to the >>>>>>> right. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bp >>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >>>>>>> > Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left. > >>>>>>> > Everybody's >>>>>>> > idea >>>>>>> > of compromise these days is you come to where I am and I'll make a >>>>>>> > deal. >>>>>>> >>> !DSPAM:2,56e643e613941725215664! >>> >>> >> >
