After all the crap about Trump supporters being violent, I’ve got a timeline about who did what when. The point is, MoveOn organized the protest a week in advance and Bill Ayers was involved in getting organizers into the event. After the event, Black Lives Matters moved in and started the violence, the looting, and blocking the freeways including ambulances.
If we let these progressives get away with this, Trump would never have another gathering. Apparently free speech is only allowed if you are Liberal. I don’t condone violence outside the event but if they come inside and start protesting and affecting the right to free speech, then yes, violence is okay. The protestors should not be in there and if they are, they trespassing, period. A lot of Americans died from 1776 on to give us that right and nobody has a right to take that away. If there isn’t swift and harsh punishment to these criminals, and yes, inciting violence is a criminal act, then what is going to happen at the Republican Convention in Cleveland? These people need to understand there is a civil way to do this and if they don’t know that lesson, then they should be removed and jailed. Protest outside peacefully, protest inside by sneaking in, then don’t whine when someone is violent towards you. You are affecting their right to free speech and to organize. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Well said. From: justsumname .<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:09 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? The difference between 1968 and now, is, Saul Alinksy had not written his book, telling his fellow rabble-rousers how to disrupt and destroy a political system without resorting to murder and general violence. The difference between 1968 and now, is, if a "political activist" up and attacked you (presumably for holding different political views), we weren't so "politically correct" such that you *could* respond by punching the jerk's lights out and the cops would arrest the 'activist'. Why? Because everyone pretty much had a sense of 'right and wrong' and everyone knew that attacking someone was wrong and not tolerated at all. Also, the "individual Citizen" and private property was held in much higher esteem -- defending both with effective force was not a crime. The difference between 1968 and now, is, the US Constitution was still taught in schools and people had a damn clue when they discussed USA political issues. Nowadays, we're just mobs with a cause, easily (mis)led by false but emotionally-charged rhetoric and a false incarnation of "victim". There also weren't very many years difference between 1968 and Senator McAurthy's statements that "communists are infiltrating our educational institutions, our media and our govt". Nowadays... all three are stuffed overflowing with America-hating voices and political powers. The guy sounds a little crazy but he got that part right. In 1968, people still knew what words meant and therefore agreed on their meaning. Which also meant the 'rule of law' could possibly exist. There's also a movement afoot in the USA (alas the whole world, really); greater than even Black Lives Matter. Even though the 'root cause' of BLM has a bit of a point: blacks have been crapped on by... some 'authorities' -- including the ones they vote for.... this bigger movement is called Facts Don't Matter. This is true even among creatively intelligent people. You see, even though, for example, Mr Trump has never said that he wants to, or is going to ... 'round up and deport all Hispanic peoples'... you can read it here, presented as 'fact'. Another example: Trump's supporters don't go to Hillary or Bernie rallies and disrupt their right to political assembly, but oh, it's Trump's fault that the OTHER supporters go to Trump's rallies and disrupt his thing and then a scuffle breaks out and then the narrative becomes "Trump and/or his supporters are violent". Damn. Taken right out of Alinsky's textbook! Accuse the OTHER side of the very thing YOU are doing. Of course this works best when the "media" is all down with it all... Ahhh.... I have been telling people for quite a few years that the 'United States is being destroyed', crazy foo' that I am! Citizen status is being diluted and dissolved. The international, physical boundary (the foundation of private land / property ownership) is being diluted and dissolved. The elections have no verifiable integrity (but many of us still call the USA a 'democracy'... wow the idiocy). Arbitrarily-defined "civil rights" now supercede tangible, measurable, legally tactile property rights. Courts are *impossibly* overloaded. The national 'money' is just fancy paper. It says it's guaranteed by the US Govt. Fine. Except the US Govt is in debt more than the size of the GDP. So... uhm... what the hell does the money mean now? (and the big Federal "bank", aka Reserve, is in debt something like 5 or 6 trillion due to several years of 'quantitative easing'. heh... I don't know what the hell that means! It sounds like a book-nerd term for 'masturbation' though! Which is better than raping, although it's okay if the muslims rape, because, well, we don't know, really, why we let them get away with it.... Look, a squirrel!!) And lastly, the last thing to go before a 'nation' falls off the cliff is, the fourth thing which makes up a 'nation': the rule of law. Mr Obama holds a few note-worthy records, some have been mentioned already. I will point out that he holds the highest record of being ruled against by the US Supreme Court by a 9-0 majority. Yeah, as in 'unanimously against him'. So what does he do when he doesn't get his way with a court that he helped stack with two of his own stooges? F'you, he does what he wants anyway! I mean, seriously, who duh hell is gonna arrest the PRESIDENT?? And, given for what passes as 'political discourse' in our country today: since I didn't vote for Obama in 2008 or 2012, I am, 'therefore', "logically" (as in Monty Python logically), a "racist". Anyway, let's pretend that's a 'fact' (cuz remember that Facts Don't Matter) and I am a "racist" for NOT voting for that domestic enemy... okay... ready... here comes... Who Is Gonna Arrest the BLACK president?? (who isn't really "black"... ahem... but Facts really Don't Matter anymore....) And so somehow, someway, everything somehow gets spun into some sort of 'racial' thing, completely ruining the exercise of the 1st Amendment: political discourse. Damn, what's left to ruin? Oh yeah, I remember! Our national / geopolitical reputation! SO yeah, let's give $150 billion to a terrorist nation which promises to kill us all someday. What a PERFECT idea!!! ...I'm sure, like, they don't mean those, like, ugly words. Cuz, like, I really think that us, like, being killed and all is bad, and if it's, like, me being, like, killed, well, I don't *like* that.... --- Love em or hate him, Trump has guts. He has put himself in front of ALL THIS ^^^^^. -- On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: -----Original Message----- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:00 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? And how many of us actually know how to play the banjo? Glen Waldrop wrote: For contrast, I’m in rural Alabama as well. It is a 50/50 split here. We get along fine. It is funny how I keep hearing about how racist we are in the south from a bunch of people that have less than 10% non-whites living in their home towns. *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:50 PM *To:* [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Jaime.....I'm in rural Alabama. You know this. My city has probably 5 blacks that live here. (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black man on a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i have absolutely no issues with him). That being said, racism here was totally generational when I was growing up. If you were old, you had some racism still in your blood. No one my age or younger cared - it never came up - and we just looked at old people funny and understood. For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore. What changed? ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *To:* Animal Farm <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still have a beer together. Our founding fathers were men just like you and me...sinners and not perfect.... while the intent of Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped out or moved to reservations....visit some in your beautiful state of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to parts of the south and east and talk to them about the constitution. Learn the language... yes that ln makes sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and more now in Middle East...they speak several languages....respect our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget signs in restaurants and hotels ..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era, voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up in 60s? If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of convention in Chicago? And it was the Democratic Convention not Republican. So I don't know what great heritage you are talking about. I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their culture....America is Not the Borg.... we can't all be blue eyed blonde folks. That would be too Twilight Zone.... stop listening to talk shows and Fox TV...try something novel...reading a history book..but not one printed in Texas....ajuuaaa On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: You know what Ken, let’s do this. You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures. What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that color is used as an excuse. The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent within our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, including unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred of police and authority, and racial division and escalation. So if you are big supporter of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You want the truth, that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my conclusions with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI, the U.S Department of the Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but those facts won’t matter will they? Rory *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM *To:* [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out for it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism? We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we are not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to the belief that prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too. *From:*Rory Conaway <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *Sent:*Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM *To:*[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is that the violence fostered by ignorant people in our society who don’t contribute, but foster racial hatred and disdain for the Constitution, the Laws of this country, and want special treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they are but they keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s liberals that won’t let race go because they need it to stay in power. You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You want to call me a racist, what I really want to tell you will get me banned. I’m done with this and Ken, please don’t ever speak to me again. You went too far. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM *To:* [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Black people really seem to set you off. *From:*Rory Conaway <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *Sent:*Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM *To:*[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. I really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM *To:* [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff.... watch closely the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior.... (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing punches at the person being lead out....).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not very good for anyone.... As such their is rising concern. The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control.... historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the bottle, no one has been able to control it ..... :) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232<tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232> <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232> Help-desk: (305)663-5518<tel:%28305%29663-5518> <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> *To: *[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like Facebook. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Fault? Its human nature....you push me and I push back...most fights start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old days....what civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more. I normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.....too much at stake...Trump will not win.
