hah - i own this t-shirt.  wear it every summer.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?




  -----Original Message----- 
  From: Jay Weekley
  Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:00 PM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?

  And how many of us actually know how to play the banjo?

  Glen Waldrop wrote:
  > For contrast, I’m in rural Alabama as well. It is a 50/50 split here.
  > We get along fine.
  >
  > It is funny how I keep hearing about how racist we are in the south from a 
  > bunch of people that have less than 10% non-whites living in their home 
  > towns.
  > *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:[email protected]>
  > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:50 PM
  > *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
  > Jaime.....I'm in rural Alabama.  You know this.  My city has probably 5 
  > blacks that live here.  (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black man 
  > on a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i have 
  > absolutely no issues with him).   That being said,  racism here was 
  > totally generational when I was growing up.  If you were old, you had some 
  > racism still in your blood.  No one my age or younger cared - it never 
  > came up - and we just looked at old people funny and understood.
  > For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore.
  > What changed?
  >
  >     ----- Original Message -----
  >     *From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:[email protected]>
  >     *To:* Animal Farm <mailto:[email protected]>
  >     *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM
  >     *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
  >
  >     Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still
  >     have a beer together.    Our founding fathers were men just like
  >     you and me...sinners and not perfect.... while the intent of
  >     Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for
  >     the Native Americans and African Americans.  Entire nations wiped
  >     out or moved to reservations....visit some in your beautiful state
  >     of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or
  >     go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to
  >     parts of the south and east and talk to them about the
  >     constitution.    Learn the language... yes   that ln makes
  >     sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and
  >     more now in Middle East...they speak several languages....respect
  >     our heritage?   Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget
  >     signs in restaurants and hotels
  >     ..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed.  Jim Crow era, KKK era,
  >     voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even
  >     when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and
  >     facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers
  >     compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up
  >     in 60s?  If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of
  >     convention in Chicago?  And it was the Democratic Convention not
  >     Republican.   So I don't know what great heritage you are talking
  >     about.  I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their
  >     culture....America is Not the Borg.... we can't all be blue eyed
  >     blonde folks.  That would be too Twilight Zone.... stop listening
  >     to talk shows and Fox TV...try something novel...reading a history
  >     book..but not one printed in Texas....ajuuaaa
  >
  >     On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]
  >     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
  >
  >         You know what Ken, let’s do this.
  >
  >         You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is
  >         that everyone is a victim.  I probably have a much wider
  >         diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than
  >         you do and never has anyone ever called me racist.  Because I
  >         abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an
  >         excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a
  >         racist.  That’s the pea-brained mentality of the
  >         intellectually dishonest.  You simply can’t understand that
  >         there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply
  >         don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, 
  > we can define the problems created by race, race
  >         hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just
  >         blame everyone else for their problems and failures.
  >
  >         What I care about is that there is a class of people that are
  >         not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the
  >         facts.  You would rather stick your head in the sand and call
  >         out those of us who see the truth racists.  Here is a fact,
  >         not having a solid family support system, not following the
  >         law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless
  >         of the race.  If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick 
  > your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and
  >         stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have
  >         the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest
  >         country in the world is falling apart from within and from the
  >         outside.  Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants
  >         required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell
  >         yes I want every child to get a good education that honors
  >         this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and
  >         women who died to protect it.   And until we recognize that
  >         keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not
  >         expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country
  >         are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and
  >         separation.   I don’t care about the color, I care about the
  >         fact that color is used as an excuse.
  >
  >         The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the
  >         entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that
  >         doesn’t have engineering outside this country because they
  >         can’t find enough engineering talent within our own borders
  >         because our culture and education failed an entire
  >         generation.   And as for Obama, his policies have escalated
  >         this problem, including unemployment, a poor economy, lower
  >         standards of living, hatred of police and authority, and
  >         racial division and escalation.  So if you are big supporter
  >         of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there.  You
  >         want the truth, that’s it.  So bring it on Ken.  I’ll back my
  >         conclusions with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI,
  >         the U.S Department of the Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor,
  >         and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but those facts won’t
  >         matter will they?
  >
  >         Rory
  >
  >         *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
  >         <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
  >         *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM
  >         *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
  >         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
  >
  >         Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call
  >         your out for it.  Why is that over the line?  You have made
  >         some pretty inflammatory statements, but it seems you can’t
  >         take any criticism?
  >
  >         We have a WISPA conference coming up.  One thing I always
  >         notice is we are not a very diverse crowd.  Almost all white
  >         men.  That leads to the belief that prejudice is OK because
  >         everyone here thinks that way too.
  >
  >         *From:*Rory Conaway <mailto:[email protected]>
  >
  >         *Sent:*Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM
  >
  >         *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
  >
  >         *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
  >
  >         That’s out of line Ken, at any level.  What matters to me is
  >         that the violence fostered by ignorant people in our society
  >         who don’t contribute, but foster racial hatred and disdain for
  >         the Constitution, the Laws of this country, and want special
  >         treatment.  I don’t give a crap what color they are but they
  >         keep bringing it up.  Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc…
  >         The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s
  >         liberals that won’t let race go because they need it to stay
  >         in power.
  >
  >         You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine.  You
  >         want to call me a racist, what I really want to tell you will
  >         get me banned.  I’m done with this and Ken, please don’t ever
  >         speak to me again.  You went too far.
  >
  >         Rory
  >
  >         *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
  >         *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM
  >         *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
  >         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
  >
  >         Black people really seem to set you off.
  >
  >         *From:*Rory Conaway <mailto:[email protected]>
  >
  >         *Sent:*Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM
  >
  >         *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
  >
  >         *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
  >
  >         Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black
  >         Lives Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is
  >         looting and gun fire.  I really doubt the Trump supporters are
  >         doing that.
  >
  >         Rory
  >
  >         *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Faisal
  >         Imtiaz
  >         *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM
  >         *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
  >         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
  >
  >         I hope you realize that everyone participating in this
  >         discussion is an Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much
  >         concerned about the future of our great nation. The discussion
  >         is over the events as they are unfolding.
  >
  >         It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on
  >         the right are so upset, and so polarized in their view that
  >         they are willing to accept bad behavior from anyone  of their
  >         affiliated party, since that person can do nothing wrong and
  >         the other side cannot do nothing right...
  >
  >         I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange
  >         of views in a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum,
  >         watching the GOP primaries turn  into a circus act is
  >         embarrassing,  because the world is watching, and to see folks
  >         trying to explain and justify is even more troubling.
  >
  >         Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it
  >         should not bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the
  >         media is fully responsible for fueling the fire and covering
  >         only the inciting stuff.... watch closely the clips of trouble
  >         at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily
  >         increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad
  >         behavior.... (when someone is being lead out, by security
  >         there are folks hitting and throwing punches at the person
  >         being lead out....).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to
  >         condemn such behavior, which indicates approval.
  >
  >         While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you
  >         want, some of us who have had a broader view of the world,
  >         have seen this type of behavior and events , in the other
  >         parts of the world.. and the end results were not very good
  >         for anyone.... As such their is  rising concern.
  >
  >         The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can
  >         control.... historically speaking when that particular type of
  >         genie is let out of the bottle, no one has  been able to
  >         control it .....
  >
  >         :)
  >
  >         Regards
  >
  >         Faisal Imtiaz
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  >
  >             *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]
  >             <mailto:[email protected]>>
  >             *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
  >             *Sent: *Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM
  >             *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
  >
  >             Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the
  >             sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You 
  > have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d
  >             rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like
  >             Facebook.
  >
  >             Rory
  >
  >             *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
  >             *Jaime Solorza
  >             *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM
  >             *To:* Animal Farm
  >             *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
  >
  >             Fault?   Its human nature....you push me and I push
  >             back...most fights start that way...literally and
  >             figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him
  >             audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go
  >             back to old days....what civil rights riots? Wallace?
  >             Lynching?  He is playing to  the older white man who fears
  >             foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of
  >             Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led
  >             to murder of millions.  i have a different perspective on
  >             things from my ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel 
  > outside USA and your eyes open a bit more.    I
  >             normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.....too
  >             much at stake...Trump will not win.
  >

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