For contrast, I’m in rural Alabama as well. It is a 50/50 split here.
We get along fine.
It is funny how I keep hearing about how racist we are in the south from a
bunch of people that have less than 10% non-whites living in their home
towns.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:50 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Jaime.....I'm in rural Alabama. You know this. My city has probably 5
blacks that live here. (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black man
on a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i have
absolutely no issues with him). That being said, racism here was
totally generational when I was growing up. If you were old, you had some
racism still in your blood. No one my age or younger cared - it never
came up - and we just looked at old people funny and understood.
For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore.
What changed?
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* Animal Farm <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still
have a beer together. Our founding fathers were men just like
you and me...sinners and not perfect.... while the intent of
Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for
the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped
out or moved to reservations....visit some in your beautiful state
of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or
go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to
parts of the south and east and talk to them about the
constitution. Learn the language... yes that ln makes
sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and
more now in Middle East...they speak several languages....respect
our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget
signs in restaurants and hotels
..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era,
voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even
when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and
facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers
compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up
in 60s? If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of
convention in Chicago? And it was the Democratic Convention not
Republican. So I don't know what great heritage you are talking
about. I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their
culture....America is Not the Borg.... we can't all be blue eyed
blonde folks. That would be too Twilight Zone.... stop listening
to talk shows and Fox TV...try something novel...reading a history
book..but not one printed in Texas....ajuuaaa
On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You know what Ken, let’s do this.
You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is
that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider
diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than
you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I
abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an
excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a
racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the
intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that
there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply
don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However,
we can define the problems created by race, race
hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just
blame everyone else for their problems and failures.
What I care about is that there is a class of people that are
not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the
facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call
out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact,
not having a solid family support system, not following the
law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless
of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick
your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and
stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have
the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest
country in the world is falling apart from within and from the
outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants
required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell
yes I want every child to get a good education that honors
this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and
women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that
keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not
expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country
are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and
separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the
fact that color is used as an excuse.
The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the
entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that
doesn’t have engineering outside this country because they
can’t find enough engineering talent within our own borders
because our culture and education failed an entire
generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated
this problem, including unemployment, a poor economy, lower
standards of living, hatred of police and authority, and
racial division and escalation. So if you are big supporter
of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You
want the truth, that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my
conclusions with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI,
the U.S Department of the Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor,
and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but those facts won’t
matter will they?
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call
your out for it. Why is that over the line? You have made
some pretty inflammatory statements, but it seems you can’t
take any criticism?
We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always
notice is we are not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white
men. That leads to the belief that prejudice is OK because
everyone here thinks that way too.
*From:*Rory Conaway <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is
that the violence fostered by ignorant people in our society
who don’t contribute, but foster racial hatred and disdain for
the Constitution, the Laws of this country, and want special
treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they are but they
keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc…
The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s
liberals that won’t let race go because they need it to stay
in power.
You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You
want to call me a racist, what I really want to tell you will
get me banned. I’m done with this and Ken, please don’t ever
speak to me again. You went too far.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Black people really seem to set you off.
*From:*Rory Conaway <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black
Lives Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is
looting and gun fire. I really doubt the Trump supporters are
doing that.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Faisal
Imtiaz
*Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
I hope you realize that everyone participating in this
discussion is an Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much
concerned about the future of our great nation. The discussion
is over the events as they are unfolding.
It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on
the right are so upset, and so polarized in their view that
they are willing to accept bad behavior from anyone of their
affiliated party, since that person can do nothing wrong and
the other side cannot do nothing right...
I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange
of views in a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum,
watching the GOP primaries turn into a circus act is
embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see folks
trying to explain and justify is even more troubling.
Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it
should not bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the
media is fully responsible for fueling the fire and covering
only the inciting stuff.... watch closely the clips of trouble
at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily
increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad
behavior.... (when someone is being lead out, by security
there are folks hitting and throwing punches at the person
being lead out....).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to
condemn such behavior, which indicates approval.
While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you
want, some of us who have had a broader view of the world,
have seen this type of behavior and events , in the other
parts of the world.. and the end results were not very good
for anyone.... As such their is rising concern.
The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can
control.... historically speaking when that particular type of
genie is let out of the bottle, no one has been able to
control it .....
:)
Regards
Faisal Imtiaz
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*From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the
sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You
have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d
rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like
Facebook.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
Fault? Its human nature....you push me and I push
back...most fights start that way...literally and
figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him
audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go
back to old days....what civil rights riots? Wallace?
Lynching? He is playing to the older white man who fears
foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of
Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led
to murder of millions. i have a different perspective on
things from my ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel
outside USA and your eyes open a bit more. I
normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.....too
much at stake...Trump will not win.
