Cisco makes it tempting for the counterfeiters by selling $25 worth of parts
for $500. A whole router is probably more trouble to counterfeit for less
profit.
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
Yes, back in 2007 when they were new I'd heard from a few US government sources
that there were chinese WIC and HWIC cards... Even rumors that the whole CIsco
2801/2811/2821 (which were pretty expensive new routers at that time) had been
entirely copied by their Chinese contract manufacturer.
I have never personally seen or heard of a higher-end counterfeit Cisco
linecard or module... Like, never heard of a counterfeit NPE-G2 or a WS-X6704
10GbE card.
On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
Agreed. I was just giving examples of “modules”.
Lots of Chisco WIC cards out there though.
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
I really doubt anyone is counterfeiting PA modules for the 7206VXR
considering how old the platform is.
On Mar 20, 2016 5:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
WIC, NM, PA, etc. Plug in card for a modular router.
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
Define module?
On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”. And if
Cisco had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract
for the used gear. Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance
contract just so you can upgrade the SW.
What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are
probably counterfeit. Even if they are made from the same parts in the same
factory.
From: Bruce Robertson
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
I *never* *ever* did that...........................
On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and
registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more expensive
routers we deployed.... hmmm????
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of
telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling
telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:
1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a
way to buy it from Dubai.
2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP
gear into Iran? There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up
with local Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how to
run Tor, how to get around government internet censorship, move VPN traffic
through their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered media. The US
government has a whole Farsi language division funded from the Voice of
America/BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying to reach Iranians.
There are a shitload of Iranians that want to use Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype,
etc. More communication with the outside world is good.
http://www.radiofarda.com/
On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:
You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's
internet snooping and repression, right?
On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0
Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against
Iran and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic. But it’s a
little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that is
clearly Huawei.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is
indisputable.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees
China has by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal
workforce? Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs
fall 100% in line with things the government as a whole says or does?
You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was
bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco
which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and
then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?
I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done
anything "bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA
and NSA. They have an incredible amount of data and control.
What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products
mid shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA
was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors
in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting our
own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the process?
I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they
haven't done shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are
insinuating that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag
while simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own government and
its employees.
For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.
On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie"
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just
having one of the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the
obvious. This person could have had issues with the company as well, and left
as a result.
On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway
<r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as
that. Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew
Howard
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based
EPC.... you can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of
the more costly parts of doing LTE.
On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
Good interview. A couple things I'm wondering / concerned
about though. First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE? I realize it isn't
a ton of money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there. Also, I'm
a little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the specific
"fellow" that they're talking about.
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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