Yes, back in 2007 when they were new I'd heard from a few US government sources that there were chinese WIC and HWIC cards... Even rumors that the whole CIsco 2801/2811/2821 (which were pretty expensive new routers at that time) had been entirely copied by their Chinese contract manufacturer.
I have never personally seen or heard of a higher-end counterfeit Cisco linecard or module... Like, never heard of a counterfeit NPE-G2 or a WS-X6704 10GbE card. On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > Agreed. I was just giving examples of “modules”. > > Lots of Chisco WIC cards out there though. > > > *From:* Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 2:02 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > I really doubt anyone is counterfeiting PA modules for the 7206VXR > considering how old the platform is. > On Mar 20, 2016 5:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > >> WIC, NM, PA, etc. Plug in card for a modular router. >> >> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> >> Define module? >> On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >>> I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”. And if >>> Cisco had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet >>> contract for the used gear. Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW >>> maintenance contract just so you can upgrade the SW. >>> >>> What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are >>> probably counterfeit. Even if they are made from the same parts in the >>> same factory. >>> >>> >>> *From:* Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>> >>> I *never* *ever* did that........................... >>> >>> On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and >>> registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more >>> expensive routers we deployed.... hmmm???? >>> >>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>> >>> I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of >>> telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling >>> telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran: >>> >>> >>> 1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a >>> way to buy it from Dubai. >>> >>> 2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP >>> gear into Iran? There's a very active community of Iranians who have come >>> up with local Farsi language documents/training guides and information on >>> how to run Tor, how to get around government internet censorship, move VPN >>> traffic through their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered >>> media. The US government has a whole Farsi language division funded from >>> the Voice of America/BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying >>> to reach Iranians. There are a shitload of Iranians that want to use >>> Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, etc. More communication with the outside world >>> is good. >>> >>> http://www.radiofarda.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds < <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>> j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >>> >>>> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's >>>> internet snooping and repression, right? >>>> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0 >>>>> >>>>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against >>>>> Iran and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic. But >>>>> it’s a little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed >>>>> company that is clearly Huawei. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM >>>>> *To:* <af@afmug.com>af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>> >>>>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is >>>>> indisputable. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" < <j...@kyneticwifi.com>j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>> *To: * <af@afmug.com>af@afmug.com >>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>> >>>>> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China >>>>> has by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal >>>>> workforce? Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and >>>>> beliefs fall 100% in line with things the government as a whole says or >>>>> does? >>>>> >>>>> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was >>>>> bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for >>>>> Cisco >>>>> which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years >>>>> and then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right? >>>>> >>>>> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything >>>>> "bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and >>>>> NSA. They have an incredible amount of data and control. >>>>> >>>>> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products >>>>> mid shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the >>>>> NSA was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put >>>>> backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - >>>>> putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the >>>>> process? >>>>> >>>>> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't >>>>> done shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are >>>>> insinuating that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of >>>>> scumbag >>>>> while simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own government >>>>> and its employees. >>>>> >>>>> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective. >>>>> On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" < >>>>> <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having >>>>>> one of the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the >>>>>> obvious. This person could have had issues with the company as well, and >>>>>> left as a result. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway < <r...@triadwireless.net> >>>>>> r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that. >>>>>>> Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew >>>>>>> Howard >>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM >>>>>>> *To:* af >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC.... >>>>>>> you can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> more costly parts of doing LTE. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie < >>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good interview. A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about >>>>>>> though. First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE? I realize it >>>>>>> isn't a >>>>>>> ton of money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there. Also, >>>>>>> I'm a little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> specific "fellow" that they're talking about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4> >>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> !DSPAM:2,56ef137a138861700012119! >>> >>> >>>
