Back a hunnert years or so ago, the guvmnt came to Utah, confiscated all the
property of the rascally Mormon church and generally set up martial law.
One of the requirements for Utah to get into the union was to ensure that there
was an equal two party system here. So, Brigham Young had the local bishops
draw a line down the middle of the congregation and told those on the left they
were to be Democrats and those on the right Republicans.
Since that time, folks have slid over on the pews such that there are very few
sitting on the left...
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to
Mexico - WSJ
+1.
California finally took the ability of the legislature to gerrymander away a
couple years ago. As the legislature was heavily democratic, the belief was
that the un-gerrymandered districts would become more balanced.
Unexpected was that the new un-gerrymandered districts became more democratic.
I guess the legislature wasn't very good at how they gerrymandered. They're
still trying to figure out how that happened, but it's pretty clear that the
new districts are much more sane in the way they are drawn.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/7/2016 9:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office.
Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides
suck because of it.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Sean Heskett" mailto:af...@zirkel.us
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to
Mexico - WSJ
The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
conservative "republican" could ever win.
As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of
voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID
laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh
sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs
money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't
use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.
Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
America great?!?!
-Sean
On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
"conservative minority" HAH!
Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a
minority fight for or against most things.
"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
illegal immigration.
If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois,
they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the
most important thing be any different?
BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
conversation.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to
Mexico - WSJ
"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
non-issue...PERIOD!
My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked
Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the
same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because
most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade
my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were
looked down upon (early 1900's)
Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me"
mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have no
compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating
north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a
progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being
driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor
fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander
districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and
Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the old, sick and
poor from dying on the streets.
I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and
rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society.
What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF?
I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a million
pieces...you reap what you sow.
America is already fucking great!
Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American
politicians act this poorly.
2 cents
-Sean
On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front.
However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation
is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and is
bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or thrown
out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made. The point
of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and having Mexico
start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get people’s
attention.
Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. Is
it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. There IS
NO border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. Trump is crude
and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s benefit,
including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many areas and
nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried in PC or
politics or corruption or power or all of the above.
I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject. But, I
still believe in America and its strength and there is been absolutely nothing
done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only further dilution
and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented level historically.
Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan”
Paul
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to
Mexico - WSJ
What a fucking idiot idea....from a fucking idiot.... did I say fucking
idiot..oh yes I did
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237
