Funny, I have never been asked to show my pilot’s license.
From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to
Mexico - WSJ
Birth certificates and records have been around a long time, and they are free
the first time you get one. So you're saying if you are irresponsible and lose
it, you shouldn't have to pay to get a new one? What if you were irresponsible
and lost your pilots license...would you have to pay for a new one of those?
The states have gone out of their way to make it as easy as possible to get a
free id for those who are too incompetent or too indigent to afford them. If a
person can't manage that, I'm guessing they aren't going to take the time to
vote. There has to be some level of responsibility involved on the voter's
behalf. I know responsibility is a 4 letter word to most liberals, but it
really does benefit the world when you take it for yourself.
On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the whole
argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither the fraud
nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be enough to have any
real effect on the elections... other than maybe in Chicago :P
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Certainly non existent in Chicago.... right.... No fraud about it. You
pay good money for good votes.
From: Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to
Mexico - WSJ
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer=
Voter fraud is vertically non existent
On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times?
From: Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers
to Mexico - WSJ
Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax
specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to vote
by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru.
To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you
need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive today were
not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the years.
Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.
Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have one
so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry.
Try harder.
-Sean
On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass
tests, pay money.
If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests,
pay money.
Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote
or to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a
passport, pay money.
I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our
style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit
voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to keep the
voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter
fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to
entry. Some folks are just born into sucky situations. Affirmative action did
not seem to erase that.
From: Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
transportation and few people own a car???
I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass to
find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by
bike.
At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
whatever cash I had on hand.
Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.
-Sean
On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
Should they be allowed to drive?
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
Transfers toMexico - WSJ
There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75%
of 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote?
On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote:
I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do
they drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other
things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is
just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the
illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote:
Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens
of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with
who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote:
Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because
we're all racist.
Voting is little different with the second Amendment and
they're just fine with that.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Mathew Howard"
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');>
To: "af" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google
tells me they require one of the following:
a.. Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of
Public Safety (DPS)
b.. Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
c.. Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
d.. Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
e.. United States military identification card containing the
person’s photograph
f.. United States citizenship certificate containing the
person’s photograph
g.. United States passport
Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't
really see anything inconsistent there.
here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable...
and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't
pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth
certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually
citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove
they're a citizen to be eligible to vote.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');> wrote:
The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only
a super conservative "republican" could ever win.
As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee
ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than
.01%. All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an
illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate
you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or
fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
issued by a state school.
Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1.
Fair 2. Make America great?!?!
-Sean
On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote:
"conservative minority" HAH!
Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit
less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most things.
"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between
legal and illegal immigration.
If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it
sucks.
You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life,
why should the most important thing be any different?
BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly
logical conversation.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt
to solve a non-issue...PERIOD!
My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no
one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation
was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He
forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians
were looked down upon (early 1900's)
Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate
behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who
have no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans
migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking
proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of
this country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather
see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they
have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win.
Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent
the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets.
I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their
policies and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society.
What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously
WTF?
I can't wait to see the republican convention contort
itself into a million pieces...you reap what you sow.
America is already fucking great!
Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to
see American politicians act this poorly.
2 cents
-Sean
On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net>
wrote:
Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this
disclaimer up front.
However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy.
The negotiation is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this
process and is bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be
discussed (or thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments
get made. The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started,
and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get
people’s attention.
Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of
course not. Is it helpful and one part of the total solution needed?
absolutely. There IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a
façade. Trump is crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for
everybody’s benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so,
so many areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t
buried in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above.
I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the
subject. But, I still believe in America and its strength and there is been
absolutely nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength…
only further dilution and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented
level historically.
Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our
country fan”
Paul
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime
Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
What a fucking idiot idea....from a fucking idiot.... did
I say fucking idiot..oh yes I did
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237
