Are the approximate 12° beams small enough to qualify for PTP rules?


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On 6/27/2016 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
4 chains over 360 degrees vs. 14 chains over 90 degrees.

The Quamni doesn't really count when looking at a non-micro-POP model. It wouldn't be narrow enough to qualify for any PtP rules. To me it's preferential in situations where cost or aesthetics are important, but not for performance (RF or IP).

It's technically similar, but that's comparing a Cruze and a Vette in that they're both cars. That said, it'll be a closer comparison when the 8x8 A5c is available and on a 90* sector.



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*From: *"Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, June 27, 2016 10:29:55 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Please explain. 4 sectors, lights up the 1 or 2 sectors the CPE connects to. Or are you referring to the sector being 90 degrees instead of something like 10 degrees? Just for the record, 2.4GHz has much more benefit with beam steering antennas than 5GHz. 2.4GHz can bring the power output up and take advantage of PTP rules unless that has changed.

Rory

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*Sent:* Monday, June 27, 2016 6:15 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Not even close.



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*From: *"Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, June 23, 2016 9:00:40 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m

I think it’s called an Mimosa A5.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Thursday, June 23, 2016 6:13 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m

I would love to see an omni beemsteering antenna in 5ghz.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

As wide as 360 degrees?

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*Sent:*Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:04 PM

*To:*af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 450m

That is why they said 'about 3-4 times the throughput'.

The better the spacial diversity the better the throughput - they can get 7x if everything is aligned correctly.

You also need to remember that these aren't fixed beams - they're dynamically pointable, and my understanding is that it can be re-pointed in each timeslot, so as long as all of your customers aren't in a very narrow slice, and are relatively spread out, you should gain something.

The other thought is that this is going to encourage people to move to as wide of sector as possible to improve the beamsteering performance.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So if i have a tower like the one below with customers spaced out accordingly, alot of the customers are going to fall wthin 1 or 2 of the 6 degree "strip patches" on the antenna and thus i wont see as much throughput increase per AP? :(

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

You can't do that kind of spatial diversity in a PTP link.

bp
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On 6/22/2016 10:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

    Will there be a PTP version of Medusa that can triple the
    throughput of existing PTP650 links on the same channel width? I
    am wondering why the same massive-mimo can't be applied to PTP so
    a 450mbps PTP650 link running on 45mhz channel can then achieve
    1.35Gbps on the same 45mhz channel?

    On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Josh Luthman
    <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
    wrote:

    Are these uplink and downlink?

    The epmp 2000 is only uplink.

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    On Jun 22, 2016 12:54 PM, "Peter Kranz" <pkr...@unwiredltd.com
    <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>> wrote:

        With the ETI beamformer antenna.. you get ~20db gain since you
        have the electrical capture of all the active antennas going
        on.. in theory creating a high gain very narrow spot beam of
        15 degrees or so.. 14 implies something else..

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        *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
        <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
        *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:51 AM
        *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m

        They beam-form the power coming in.

        bp

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        On 6/22/2016 9:40 AM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:

            Over poe though? That’s pushing a lot of watts over it, I
            didn’t hear them say it had a separate power port?

            *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
            *Josh Reynolds
            *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:40 AM
            *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m

            48v to 56 or 59v I believe

            On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Craig Schmaderer
            <cr...@skywaveconnect.com
            <mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:

                Spec sheet says 70watts, how are we going to power
                this thing, they never said the power options did they?

                *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
                <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
                *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:37 AM


                *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m

                Yes there is a GigE roadmap that includes 40MHz channels.

                Daniel White

                Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

                ConVergence Technologies

                Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>

                dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>

                *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
                *Kurt Fankhauser
                *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:30 AM
                *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m

                Any plans to offer 40mhz channel on this thing for
                800-1000mbps throughput?

                On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Mike Hammett
                <af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

                    That does a lot of nothing now.



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                    *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com
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                    *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                    *Sent: *Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:21:33 AM
                    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m

                    Take whatever you like from here:

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO9JfpcaZRA

                    bp

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                    On 6/22/2016 9:17 AM, Matt wrote:

                            There is a webinar going on now as we
                            speak introducing the product.

                        Is there anywhere to download slides or video
                        from the webinar?

                
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