So... Google is going to do what WISP's have been doing for 20 years
(before they were even called WISPs). That's hilarious.
"Fiber! Fiber! Fiber! That is the answer to everything. We are doing
fiber everywhere!"
"Fiber is expensive, and we can never get an ROI with that model...
let's look at wireless."
I'm still laughing... a company that size, with those resources, and yet
they still seem to be clueless sometimes. I'm in agreement, I doubt
Google will even be around in 20 years. I own several e-commerce
companies (multi-million dollar ones), and we don't spend a dime with
Google. One company spends $5k/month with Facebook and it generates
$400k in sales, per month.
Google is becoming "old school"... the same way email is compared to
texting... and the way texting/FB/Instagram is compared to Snapchat.
These companies get big, really fast... but the problem is, that means
someone else can do the same thing.
Travis
On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Sorry to sound like not a google fanboy but it's a typical phd
company.. They look at the paper pile before the experience pile...
& yes they will eventually go down because of it...
On 08/11/2016 03:24 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projects, I can
tell you there are a number of factors that caused them to take pause
on the deployments. One was the almost obstructionist attitude of
pole owners (read competitors to their broadband deployment). This
forced a lot more of the project deigns to underground deployment. In
cities like San Jose and San Francisco, there were a lot of
requirements that cost more money than Google budgeted for. In some
respects Google kind of had the idea that cities would remove
obstacles like that to get them in their city. With so much existing
broadband already in place, this is certainly not the case. I think
Google thought all cities were going to have the attitude like they
had with the first cities who applied for Google to come to their
cities (Like Kansas City did).
Google was also of the impression that they could design and permit
their networks and then cherry pick neighborhoods to deploy based on
pre-sign ups (in Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a huge
logistic problem in planning construction especially with underground
deployment. This also drove up costs.
Google is still investigating the wireless options. What you will see
from them should be a hybrid network system. They will buy up dark
fiber, capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and whole fiber systems
where they can. They may use microwave to cross connect systems or
bridge high construction cost areas such as railroad crossings. They
are looking at wireless to basically go more from the curb to the
customer, especially in MDU cases. Existing competition and/or
existing contracts within an MDU makes it risky to do a wired play if
they cannot assure themselves of a huge take rate within the MDU. I
see their wireless play as more of a high capacity short hop last
mile, but even then they will have challenges with spectrum,
interference and capacity.
While we all would think Google is a great company with resources to
do whatever they set their minds to, keep in mind I have seen a lot
from the inside. I like to equate them to a group of thirty
somethings with ADD and too much money. They also seem to have the
attitude that older folks are too far behind the times to possibly
know what they are talking about. Google is certainly not a utility
infrastructure company and lack the people, tools and skill sets to
be one. They are their own best cheerleaders and they have a
dangerous habit of believing their own hype internally and are not
real good at listening to fresh viewpoints and outside input.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a camel
through the eye of a needle.
-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with your
WISP.
We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful companies in
the world though. Do you really think they don't have some of the
best RF engineering talent in the world on their payroll?
They're not doing anything different than many of us have done, which
is evaluate the business case for each technology and pick the most
appropriate one for the application. If it was going to cost you a
couple hundred thousand just to cross an intersection, you'd be doing
the same thing too. It's the smart play.
At least they're not doing this in LEC style, which would mean
"saying they can't do it unless they receive federal subsidies".
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
<par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
Wait until they experience ducting ;)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Prince
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
It's apparently "too expensive" to do underground fiber. At least in
San Jose.
Anyone know anything about Webpass?
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 8/10/2016 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Google Fiber considering fixed microwave technology as alternative to
fiber.
Interesting times!
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google-fiber-del
ays-san-jose-project-may-switch-to-wireless-instead/?comments=1
