And is besties with Page and Brin... maybe I have it wrong and spacex
is google's spaceship..
On 08/12/2016 06:32 AM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
Um.... Elon Musk goes to Burning Man every year. Just sayin'.
On 08/12/2016 02:26 AM, Robert wrote:
Also, who shows up at Burning Man... Going there, to me, is not what
someone who is working hard each and every day does.
On 8/12/16 2:19 AM, i...@avantwireless.com wrote:
I think the difference between google and facebook and even more so
tesla is how driven the people on top are. Google is now in what I
call fiefdomville, where the execs below the top have built their
kingdoms and are struggling to stay on top and those above pretty
much have everything their heart desires and the drive to the next
big thing has left. FB and tesla still have one person on top that
wants a _lot_ more for their future and specially in Tesla's case has
a huge goal far out on the horizon to poke them in the ass to reach
far each and every day.. Bezos at amazon is also in that camp to a
degree... As I like to say.. Where's google's spaceship?
On 8/11/16 9:27 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I think that facebook won't be far behind. Let's have this
conversation again in 2026.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 8/11/2016 8:50 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
So... Google is going to do what WISP's have been doing for 20
years (before they were even called WISPs). That's hilarious.
"Fiber! Fiber! Fiber! That is the answer to everything. We are
doing fiber everywhere!"
"Fiber is expensive, and we can never get an ROI with that model...
let's look at wireless."
I'm still laughing... a company that size, with those resources,
and yet they still seem to be clueless sometimes. I'm in agreement,
I doubt Google will even be around in 20 years. I own several
e-commerce companies (multi-million dollar ones), and we don't
spend a dime with Google. One company spends $5k/month with
Facebook and it generates $400k in sales, per month.
Google is becoming "old school"... the same way email is compared
to texting... and the way texting/FB/Instagram is compared to
Snapchat. These companies get big, really fast... but the problem
is, that means someone else can do the same thing.
Travis
On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Sorry to sound like not a google fanboy but it's a typical phd
company.. They look at the paper pile before the experience
pile... & yes they will eventually go down because of it...
On 08/11/2016 03:24 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projects, I can
tell you there are a number of factors that caused them to take
pause on the deployments. One was the almost obstructionist
attitude of pole owners (read competitors to their broadband
deployment). This forced a lot more of the project deigns to
underground deployment. In cities like San Jose and San
Francisco, there were a lot of requirements that cost more money
than Google budgeted for. In some respects Google kind of had the
idea that cities would remove obstacles like that to get them in
their city. With so much existing broadband already in place,
this is certainly not the case. I think Google thought all cities
were going to have the attitude like they had with the first
cities who applied for Google to come to their cities (Like
Kansas City did).
Google was also of the impression that they could design and
permit their networks and then cherry pick neighborhoods to
deploy based on pre-sign ups (in Google terms - fiberhoods). This
creates a huge logistic problem in planning construction
especially with underground deployment. This also drove up costs.
Google is still investigating the wireless options. What you will
see from them should be a hybrid network system. They will buy up
dark fiber, capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and whole fiber
systems where they can. They may use microwave to cross connect
systems or bridge high construction cost areas such as railroad
crossings. They are looking at wireless to basically go more from
the curb to the customer, especially in MDU cases. Existing
competition and/or existing contracts within an MDU makes it
risky to do a wired play if they cannot assure themselves of a
huge take rate within the MDU. I see their wireless play as more
of a high capacity short hop last mile, but even then they will
have challenges with spectrum, interference and capacity.
While we all would think Google is a great company with resources
to do whatever they set their minds to, keep in mind I have seen
a lot from the inside. I like to equate them to a group of thirty
somethings with ADD and too much money. They also seem to have
the attitude that older folks are too far behind the times to
possibly know what they are talking about. Google is certainly
not a utility infrastructure company and lack the people, tools
and skill sets to be one. They are their own best cheerleaders
and they have a dangerous habit of believing their own hype
internally and are not real good at listening to fresh viewpoints
and outside input.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a
camel through the eye of a needle.
-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with
your WISP.
We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful
companies in the world though. Do you really think they don't
have some of the best RF engineering talent in the world on their
payroll?
They're not doing anything different than many of us have done,
which is evaluate the business case for each technology and pick
the most appropriate one for the application. If it was going to
cost you a couple hundred thousand just to cross an intersection,
you'd be doing the same thing too. It's the smart play.
At least they're not doing this in LEC style, which would mean
"saying they can't do it unless they receive federal subsidies".
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
<par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
Wait until they experience ducting ;)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Prince
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
It's apparently "too expensive" to do underground fiber. At
least in
San Jose.
Anyone know anything about Webpass?
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 8/10/2016 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Google Fiber considering fixed microwave technology as
alternative to
fiber.
Interesting times!
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google-fiber-del
ays-san-jose-project-may-switch-to-wireless-instead/?comments=1
!DSPAM:2,57ad9648120381787451143!
