Well, I presume all the folks on this list and WISPA use FB. We sell
bazillions of surge suppressors, stingers and tower mounts, not sure where
they go but folks are finding me somehow.
-----Original Message-----
From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 9:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
You have a very small population to cater to... and most of them
probably don't use FB. LOL
Travis
On 8/11/2016 11:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I wish you could teach me how to use FB for marketing. I finally stopped
paying google and bing and my sales have gone way up. Go figure.
-----Original Message----- From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
So... Google is going to do what WISP's have been doing for 20 years
(before they were even called WISPs). That's hilarious.
"Fiber! Fiber! Fiber! That is the answer to everything. We are doing
fiber everywhere!"
"Fiber is expensive, and we can never get an ROI with that model...
let's look at wireless."
I'm still laughing... a company that size, with those resources, and yet
they still seem to be clueless sometimes. I'm in agreement, I doubt
Google will even be around in 20 years. I own several e-commerce
companies (multi-million dollar ones), and we don't spend a dime with
Google. One company spends $5k/month with Facebook and it generates
$400k in sales, per month.
Google is becoming "old school"... the same way email is compared to
texting... and the way texting/FB/Instagram is compared to Snapchat.
These companies get big, really fast... but the problem is, that means
someone else can do the same thing.
Travis
On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Sorry to sound like not a google fanboy but it's a typical phd company..
They look at the paper pile before the experience pile... & yes they
will eventually go down because of it...
On 08/11/2016 03:24 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projects, I can tell
you there are a number of factors that caused them to take pause on the
deployments. One was the almost obstructionist attitude of pole owners
(read competitors to their broadband deployment). This forced a lot more
of the project deigns to underground deployment. In cities like San Jose
and San Francisco, there were a lot of requirements that cost more money
than Google budgeted for. In some respects Google kind of had the idea
that cities would remove obstacles like that to get them in their city.
With so much existing broadband already in place, this is certainly not
the case. I think Google thought all cities were going to have the
attitude like they had with the first cities who applied for Google to
come to their cities (Like Kansas City did).
Google was also of the impression that they could design and permit
their networks and then cherry pick neighborhoods to deploy based on
pre-sign ups (in Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a huge
logistic problem in planning construction especially with underground
deployment. This also drove up costs.
Google is still investigating the wireless options. What you will see
from them should be a hybrid network system. They will buy up dark
fiber, capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and whole fiber systems
where they can. They may use microwave to cross connect systems or
bridge high construction cost areas such as railroad crossings. They are
looking at wireless to basically go more from the curb to the customer,
especially in MDU cases. Existing competition and/or existing contracts
within an MDU makes it risky to do a wired play if they cannot assure
themselves of a huge take rate within the MDU. I see their wireless play
as more of a high capacity short hop last mile, but even then they will
have challenges with spectrum, interference and capacity.
While we all would think Google is a great company with resources to do
whatever they set their minds to, keep in mind I have seen a lot from
the inside. I like to equate them to a group of thirty somethings with
ADD and too much money. They also seem to have the attitude that older
folks are too far behind the times to possibly know what they are
talking about. Google is certainly not a utility infrastructure company
and lack the people, tools and skill sets to be one. They are their own
best cheerleaders and they have a dangerous habit of believing their own
hype internally and are not real good at listening to fresh viewpoints
and outside input.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a camel
through the eye of a needle.
-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with your
WISP.
We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful companies in
the world though. Do you really think they don't have some of the best
RF engineering talent in the world on their payroll?
They're not doing anything different than many of us have done, which is
evaluate the business case for each technology and pick the most
appropriate one for the application. If it was going to cost you a
couple hundred thousand just to cross an intersection, you'd be doing
the same thing too. It's the smart play.
At least they're not doing this in LEC style, which would mean "saying
they can't do it unless they receive federal subsidies".
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
<par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
Wait until they experience ducting ;)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Prince
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
It's apparently "too expensive" to do underground fiber. At least in
San Jose.
Anyone know anything about Webpass?
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 8/10/2016 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Google Fiber considering fixed microwave technology as alternative to
fiber.
Interesting times!
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google-fiber-del
ays-san-jose-project-may-switch-to-wireless-instead/?comments=1