actually, i beg to differ. FB gives you the tools to pinpoint his market On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:
> You have a very small population to cater to... and most of them probably > don't use FB. LOL > > Travis > > > On 8/11/2016 11:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> I wish you could teach me how to use FB for marketing. I finally stopped >> paying google and bing and my sales have gone way up. Go figure. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Travis Johnson >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:50 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >> >> So... Google is going to do what WISP's have been doing for 20 years >> (before they were even called WISPs). That's hilarious. >> >> "Fiber! Fiber! Fiber! That is the answer to everything. We are doing >> fiber everywhere!" >> "Fiber is expensive, and we can never get an ROI with that model... >> let's look at wireless." >> >> I'm still laughing... a company that size, with those resources, and yet >> they still seem to be clueless sometimes. I'm in agreement, I doubt >> Google will even be around in 20 years. I own several e-commerce >> companies (multi-million dollar ones), and we don't spend a dime with >> Google. One company spends $5k/month with Facebook and it generates >> $400k in sales, per month. >> >> Google is becoming "old school"... the same way email is compared to >> texting... and the way texting/FB/Instagram is compared to Snapchat. >> These companies get big, really fast... but the problem is, that means >> someone else can do the same thing. >> >> Travis >> >> >> On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >> >>> Sorry to sound like not a google fanboy but it's a typical phd company.. >>> They look at the paper pile before the experience pile... & yes they will >>> eventually go down because of it... >>> >>> On 08/11/2016 03:24 PM, Brian Webster wrote: >>> >>>> Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projects, I can tell >>>> you there are a number of factors that caused them to take pause on the >>>> deployments. One was the almost obstructionist attitude of pole owners >>>> (read competitors to their broadband deployment). This forced a lot more of >>>> the project deigns to underground deployment. In cities like San Jose and >>>> San Francisco, there were a lot of requirements that cost more money than >>>> Google budgeted for. In some respects Google kind of had the idea that >>>> cities would remove obstacles like that to get them in their city. With so >>>> much existing broadband already in place, this is certainly not the case. I >>>> think Google thought all cities were going to have the attitude like they >>>> had with the first cities who applied for Google to come to their cities >>>> (Like Kansas City did). >>>> >>>> Google was also of the impression that they could design and permit >>>> their networks and then cherry pick neighborhoods to deploy based on >>>> pre-sign ups (in Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a huge logistic >>>> problem in planning construction especially with underground deployment. >>>> This also drove up costs. >>>> >>>> Google is still investigating the wireless options. What you will see >>>> from them should be a hybrid network system. They will buy up dark fiber, >>>> capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and whole fiber systems where they >>>> can. They may use microwave to cross connect systems or bridge high >>>> construction cost areas such as railroad crossings. They are looking at >>>> wireless to basically go more from the curb to the customer, especially in >>>> MDU cases. Existing competition and/or existing contracts within an MDU >>>> makes it risky to do a wired play if they cannot assure themselves of a >>>> huge take rate within the MDU. I see their wireless play as more of a high >>>> capacity short hop last mile, but even then they will have challenges with >>>> spectrum, interference and capacity. >>>> >>>> While we all would think Google is a great company with resources to do >>>> whatever they set their minds to, keep in mind I have seen a lot from the >>>> inside. I like to equate them to a group of thirty somethings with ADD and >>>> too much money. They also seem to have the attitude that older folks are >>>> too far behind the times to possibly know what they are talking about. >>>> Google is certainly not a utility infrastructure company and lack the >>>> people, tools and skill sets to be one. They are their own best >>>> cheerleaders and they have a dangerous habit of believing their own hype >>>> internally and are not real good at listening to fresh viewpoints and >>>> outside input. >>>> >>>> Thank You, >>>> Brian Webster >>>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >>>> >>>> They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a camel >>>> through the eye of a needle. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Josh Reynolds >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >>>> >>>> So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with your >>>> WISP. >>>> >>>> We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful companies in >>>> the world though. Do you really think they don't have some of the best RF >>>> engineering talent in the world on their payroll? >>>> >>>> They're not doing anything different than many of us have done, which >>>> is evaluate the business case for each technology and pick the most >>>> appropriate one for the application. If it was going to cost you a couple >>>> hundred thousand just to cross an intersection, you'd be doing the same >>>> thing too. It's the smart play. >>>> >>>> At least they're not doing this in LEC style, which would mean "saying >>>> they can't do it unless they receive federal subsidies". >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller < >>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wait until they experience ducting ;) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Bill Prince >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:48 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >>>>> >>>>> It's apparently "too expensive" to do underground fiber. At least in >>>>> San Jose. >>>>> >>>>> Anyone know anything about Webpass? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> bp >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>> >>>>> On 8/10/2016 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Google Fiber considering fixed microwave technology as alternative to >>>>> fiber. >>>>> Interesting times! >>>>> >>>>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google-fiber-del >>>>> ays-san-jose-project-may-switch-to-wireless-instead/?comments=1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >
