we need more of that in the US On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Brian McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> I just read the wiki on the Shawinigan handshake, and I must say, very, > very entertaining. I still have a solid belly chuckle going right now. > Thank you good sir for the laugh this Tuesday morning. > > > > Brian McCoy > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2016 10:16 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISP ethics > > > > In the land of moose, maple syrup and prime ministers who aren't afraid to > choke out a protestor [1], my wife and I pay $130 CAD together monthly for > health insurance... Which covers pretty much everything. > > [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawinigan_Handshake > > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > You better stay away from the medical industry. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Aug 22, 2016 10:01 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> wrote: > > This is not a WISP that competes with me in any way... > > It's actually a family member's new last mile connection, where the bill > looks like: > > NRC > > $several hundred dollars - CPE radio > > $165 - new customer one time installation fee > > $80 router purchase > > MRC > > $85 monthly for a reasonably high quota service > > I think that the price disparity between the actual market value of the > router ($11 to $15 on ebay with free shipping included in the price) and > what they sold it for is so wide that it's just *wrong*. > > I can see buying a $75 basic 802.11ac router and selling it for $100, or > even $110... But not this. > > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Trey Scarborough <[email protected]> wrote: > > I agree if they are selling the router along with installing it for $80 > and they are not selling it as a new router I don't see the problem. Its a > $10 plus say $10 for shipping and $60 to install it. If that was geek squad > the bill would probably come out to $300... > > I agree if this is a competitor just sell a better faster router for less > with install. > > On 8/22/2016 8:07 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > > If this is your competition, I encourage you to forget about it. Nothing > productive will come of it. > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016, 7:33 PM Josh Luthman <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > That doesn't really answer the questions though. Sounds like the > second one kinda... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Aug 22, 2016 7:47 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > A CPE radio was installed and aimed, ubnt PoE injector put in > place, and the router connected to the LAN side of the PoE... > > The CPE radio installation was its own installation service > charge and equipment fee separate from the $80 line item for the > router. > > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > If it's sold as new? That's wrong. > > If it's sold as a service (go to house, install router, > leave)? That's fine. > > If it's sold as a used product? That's fine. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> > Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 6:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Many WISPs rent routers or sell home wifi routers to > their customers. > > Some routers are used pulls from other customers, get > factory defaulted and configured for new customers. > > Nothing wrong with this. > > If you saw a WISP that was taking used routers from > customer pulls and re-selling them to another customer > at $80/piece, and that router was this exact model: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NETGEAR-WNR1000-WIRELESS-N- > N150-WIRELESS-ROUTER-RANGEMAX-4-PORT-SWITCH-/171392676852? > hash=item27e7ccb3f4:g:D8sAAOSwKPNTzDRY > > Would you consider it to be ethically questionable? I > could not in good conscience sell such a feeble, > obsolete $10 router for $80. > > > This is not a 'rented' router, this was an actual > purchase line item on a customer invoice. > > > > > > > > > > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
