It is a known fact investigative reporting budgets from the main media are gone. The former investigative reporters are finding other jobs, other networks, or just finding another job.
Two that come to mind - John Stossel (who still has a show on fox business, if you can find it, friday nights) Cheryll Stensomethingorother? She works for an actual media group of tv stations now - Sinclair Media Basically the top brass does not want that story anymore. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: af Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics] I've lived and worked on both sides of the border. In the USA / Canada. I've lived on the border and I've crossed thousands of times. I've traveled across the entire USA (Except the freak states :)) and I'm a huge fan. In fact there are a lot of things about the US that I wish were part of Canada and vice versa. There is DEFINITELY more freedom in the USA. I find only in some states though. That trend is getting reversed day by day as more and more regulation keeps coming in. However the greed and the top side of the USA blows Canada out of the water. I find Canadians are a little less corrupt, even the rich ones. The millionaires I know and know of locally are actually all good people. A local ISP here is owned by a billionaire who doesn't flaunt his wealth. He may have used a few tricks to get where he is but its all been legitimate and the guy doesn't seem to live beyond his means, and is passionate about his company and employees. We just had an anonymous millionaire donate 1.5 million to fix a church up out of the blue etc.. Where the corruption takes place in Canada is in the government. Your corruption takes place in the government AND corporations. Its a little top heavy .. the 1% shall we say. The housing bubble, the banking industry, all the nutty stuff that conspiracy theorists whined about all these years were right after all. Our government does spend some of its money wisely into social programs that do in fact help people and protect the environment but they take rules and regulations too far. If a baby hits their head on a wall, we'll ban and regulate walls. Its absurd. I just wish there was a blending of the best of both of our countries. Introduce a little freedom to Canada and less bureaucracy, and a little common sense and accountability/transparency to the top end of the USA. Although Wikileaks has definitely added some transparency to the game recently. It's unbelievable this sort of material that is out there. The level of corruption is beyond what I imagined could be possible in the USA. What ever happened to journalism? Isn't this the sort of thing CNN/NBC/ABC used to do? Actually dig up this sort of thing? The light of transparency fixes all things imho. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 10:03:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics] Trump loves using the media and just check how much attention he got since his speech from stairs of his palace... He took advantage of free publicity and now even questions polls? He threw poll figures in every ones face.. Started his rallies quoting polls. Now that his own actions and past assaults have come to light, he says media is against him.. System rigged.. I am taking my marbles and going home because he lost game. Go to visit his Trump hotel in Vegas... He has lots of undocumented folks working there.. He used a Polish demolition crew and when they complained about pay and stuff, he threatened to call la migra!!! God Bless America; and hear this Trump lackeys, America IS great... On Oct 20, 2016 7:46 AM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: Not in the case of Soros. You can complain that the Koch’s only donate to conservative candidates but Soros donates to groups that support rioting, violence, and hatred. There is a huge difference there. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 6:40 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics] I think Mike is right. Donors are a straw man argument. Everyone has them, wants more of them, wants bigger donations, yet everyone else's donors are evil. It would be nice to have a candidate that didn't have them but that isn't the environment we have. Maybe if there was a license requirement or something that some amount of time was required for political crap and no other media buys were possible we could make it through an election without gouging our eyes and ears out. On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:24 AM Tim Reichhart <timreichhart@hometowncable. net> wrote: Mike I think you need to do your research on Soros if you didnt you really dont have much to say either. Sorry its the truth. Tim ------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> To: af@afmug.com Date: 10/20/16 09:13 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics] People that bring up Soros or the Koch brothers are immediately punted as not having anything worthwhile to say. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ------------------------------ *From:* "Tim Reichhart" <timreichh...@hometowncable.net> *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:11:28 AM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics] You all forgot to say the media as been against him and used his words against him so this is why you dont believe what MSM (main street media) spits out from there mouths they are all paid by same people (to create lies). Reason why I say this is because everybody in DC is scared of trump because they know that there career can be gone very soon. Also George Soros where do I even start with him....? Basically he came out on video stating that trump will win the election but Killary is a done deal basically what that means Killary will get into the WH which is very sad. ------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Date: 10/20/16 09:03 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics] Wow. Gentleman. I watched the whole debate, maybe not as intently as some, but I did watch it. I really didn't see anything to get so upset about.Hillary turned in the performance expected meaning very good demeanor, logical well thought out positions. I don't agree with most of them and evidently "facts" are not what they used to be. Face it, both these clowns couldn't spot a fact if it slapped them with a cold fish. Trump. Well, he turned in a much better performance than the previous debates and if there were 5 he might actually come off pretty good by the last one. Still submitted to his basic desire to talk about himself and his stuff. He had some good points but missed opportunities to take Hillary down a notch by talking about himself. I can't believe he didn't counter the whole Russian wiki leaks thing with the fact the US pressured to have Assange shut down after denying it. On the other hand, I don't know anyone who thought that didn't happen. The US is on record against him already. They both are living in some fantasy world where you can say and do whatever you want and it all balances out in the end. Free college? Yea no problem, costs nothing. Double the size of the military? Why not, growth covers everything. National debt? Yea we reduced it. What? Its twice what it was 8 years ago? No it went down? Every politician does this crap. D and R. I got kicked off a conference call with our congreeman two years ago for pointing out the ludicrous lack of math skills he possessed. Mutt. Thank God we still have the freedom in this country to open our mouths and prove ourselves the idiots we are. If you want to call the president a Mutt or most anything else in a gathering of friends go for it. Anyone hoping to have the office ought to understand the obligation to treat the office with decorum and respect. The whole rigged thing is just stupid. I understand where he is coming from with the love fest much of the media has with anything on the left but come on. So if you win is that rigged? I believe in voter ID laws but that doesn't mean it is such a huge problem it is enough to change the course of an election. In the end, I don't think he did enough to sway the middle 20% or so he needs half of. What a mess.I wonder what our debt will be after the next 8 years. We are almost to the point now that interest rates will always be zero. The US government can ill afford "normalized" interest rates due to the size of the debt. I honestly can't see how anyone's involvement with running the government can be viewed as positive. What a mess. I really believe that is why truly worthy people refused to get involved. Nobody with a great reputation wants to be involved in a no win scenario. Well, maybe Romney but he is truly an exceptional person. I wish that is what we had running, exceptional people in a positive way instead f what we have. On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:45 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: The Supreme Court did all the intercourse that year. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 10/19/2016 9:36 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: As did Al Gore in 2000? ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:41 PM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics] He fucked himself with vote question... On Oct 19, 2016 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: Goes to character...cheat on wife cheat on all On Oct 19, 2016 8:13 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: I don't know. I don't about laughing. I think they are likely shocked and fearful. On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 9:07 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: We have two lying, cheating, disrespectful sociopaths on stage right now. Neither one can answer a straight question with a straight answer. They BOTH likely belong in jail, not running for the highest office in the United States. This is terrible. Disgraceful. We are the laughing stock of the world.
