Phd syndrome... Getting an advanced degree at a big Uni gives you
almost zero experience in the trenches... The move to wireless means
that they can buy their way into the FCC and move down from there...
On 10/27/16 6:40 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
I worked directly on the San Jose and Sand Diego projects. I was brought
in by one of the main contractors to help reduce costs and increase
efficiency. Google had way too many �30 somethings� who failed to listen
to experienced telecom professionals. That was one of their biggest
faults. It was insane to try and build a network in San Jose that was
going to have to be built mostly underground. That market already had
new AT&T U-verse fiber and Time Warner with a very strong network. Heck
I could get 100 meg speeds on Wi-Fi at the hotel I stayed in. Their Ego
to build in their own backyard was pushing the build more than anything.
The concept of cherry picking neighborhoods actually drove costs up.
When they wanted a citywide network design, that is what they were
delivered, but then try and build out only neighborhoods they wanted
while still trying to figure out how much of their backbones, huts and
neighborhood distribution system needed to be put in place to service
the piecemeal buildout approach, when you were already having to open
ditches, while having to be a mostly underground build? Yea that was a
nightmare too! Then let�s talk about how they had no clue how hard the
MDU market is to secure. They gave no real consideration to existing
deals in the buildings, or the cost of having to wire on their own
because the building owner did not actually own the existing cable plant
and such. These projects were not just a simple math problem to solve.
They naively thought every city was going to welcome them with open arms
like Kansas City did. They believed the political hype the politicians
told them to lure them to their cities, then when actual laws both of
physics and real came in to play, the numbers looked a whole lot uglier.
Underground building in established cities is a nightmare in both costs,
regulations, logistics and amount of work required. Just simple things
like trying to gather data on all the existing underground
infrastructure (that has no central source of documentation) was painful
and costly. You can�t get drawings approved without first showing you
will not be interfering with existing utilities already underground. In
many cases you have to manually locate this stuff and then map it and
then do your design around that information. Other issues to overhead
builds were poles that would not pass loading calculations, pole owners
who were less than cooperative or that pulled out new loading rules that
they themselves don�t follow and you can see where it was not a simple
process. The employee count to deal with all of this on a large scale at
the pace they wanted to move was not small by any stretch.
This was not new news. They pulled the plug on all of this stuff back at
the beginning of July.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2016 7:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more
As they should. Don't build where people who can't pay or don't want
your service.
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*From: *"Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, October 26, 2016 11:28:52 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more
In other cities, they cherry picked.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 26, 2016 7:00 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more
From the director of one of the Google Fiber builds (in Provo) that is
not the case.
He said they overspent on contractors MAJORLY.
And that was just to expand the existing network to all homes in that area.
He argued with his bosses about he extravagant added fees on
construction but they just said to pay them, no questions asked.
I had some of those figures from him at that conversation and some costs
were over 80x what it should have been.
My best guess is that all the fiber build in certain areas increased the
contract cost of build into the stratosphere.
And now they are reigning it in and going wireless to attempt to defray
the costs.
At least with Provo they were not allowed to cherry pick, it was build
everyone.
And it seems like they picked up a large portion of the communities, but
I didn�t get overall take rate.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 26, 2016 12:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more
Absolutely they cherry picked. Then they went into MDU�s for pennies
and lost their shirts.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:34 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more
I'd love to see their overall take rates. I have heard numbers of 75-85%
in more affluent areas. They cherry picked neighborhoods for sure though.
On Oct 25, 2016 10:15 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Big surprise there. They built it and no one came.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>]
*On Behalf Of *Tushar Patel
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2016 7:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more
Their contractor are still hiring installer in Austin.
Need to probably understand why those cities not others?
Tushar
On Oct 25, 2016, at 9:06 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
New ones. They're still deploying existing networks. They just
opened up a few new areas in Kansas City recently.
On Oct 25, 2016 9:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Moving folks to wireless.... Aye Dios
On Oct 25, 2016 7:56 PM, "Gino Villarini" <ginovi...@gmail.com
<mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
https://gizmodo.com/google-fiber-halts-operations-in-ten-cities-1788214992?rev=1477443092657&utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
