But how about microwave to the home? That is what people expect when they
hear Google is coming to town. GigE to the home. I think the MTU market
may eventually struggle with getting enough BW via microwave as well. With
an apartment building with 250 people all expecting a gig, hard to do with
microwave.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more
Microwave to MTU/MDU rooftop. Proven business model. Ask Teligent,
Winstar, Nextlink. In fairness, now almost 20 years later, there is more
demand for what they are selling. But also more competition.
And it's not like nobody is doing this already. Like in Chicago SilverIP
comes to mind.
-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more
I predict the PhD syndrome is going to also affect the wireless end. Vivant
tried and failed.
30 somethings that slept through physics are going to run up against the
hard limits of trees, hills and rain.
Doesn't matter how crazy the radio is, they will learn as everyone that
tries RF distribution learns.
5 years they will be back to fiber. Or deciding not to be part of the
transport solution.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 7:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more
Phd syndrome... Getting an advanced degree at a big Uni gives you
almost zero experience in the trenches... The move to wireless means
that they can buy their way into the FCC and move down from there...
On 10/27/16 6:40 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
I worked directly on the San Jose and Sand Diego projects. I was
brought in by one of the main contractors to help reduce costs and
increase efficiency. Google had way too many �30 somethings� who
failed to listen to experienced telecom professionals. That was one of
their biggest faults. It was insane to try and build a network in San
Jose that was going to have to be built mostly underground. That
market already had new AT&T U-verse fiber and Time Warner with a very
strong network. Heck I could get 100 meg speeds on Wi-Fi at the hotel
I stayed in. Their Ego to build in their own backyard was pushing the
build more than anything.
The concept of cherry picking neighborhoods actually drove costs up.
When they wanted a citywide network design, that is what they were
delivered, but then try and build out only neighborhoods they wanted
while still trying to figure out how much of their backbones, huts and
neighborhood distribution system needed to be put in place to service
the piecemeal buildout approach, when you were already having to open
ditches, while having to be a mostly underground build? Yea that was a
nightmare too! Then let�s talk about how they had no clue how hard
the MDU market is to secure. They gave no real consideration to
existing deals in the buildings, or the cost of having to wire on
their own because the building owner did not actually own the existing
cable plant and such. These projects were not just a simple math problem
to solve.
They naively thought every city was going to welcome them with open
arms like Kansas City did. They believed the political hype the
politicians told them to lure them to their cities, then when actual
laws both of physics and real came in to play, the numbers looked a whole
lot uglier.
Underground building in established cities is a nightmare in both
costs, regulations, logistics and amount of work required. Just simple
things like trying to gather data on all the existing underground
infrastructure (that has no central source of documentation) was
painful and costly. You can�t get drawings approved without first
showing you will not be interfering with existing utilities already
underground. In many cases you have to manually locate this stuff and
then map it and then do your design around that information. Other
issues to overhead builds were poles that would not pass loading
calculations, pole owners who were less than cooperative or that
pulled out new loading rules that they themselves don�t follow and
you can see where it was not a simple process. The employee count to
deal with all of this on a large scale at the pace they wanted to move was
not small by any stretch.
This was not new news. They pulled the plug on all of this stuff back
at the beginning of July.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2016 7:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more
As they should. Don't build where people who can't pay or don't want
your service.
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idwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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*From: *"Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, October 26, 2016 11:28:52 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more
In other cities, they cherry picked.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling
Jacobson
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 26, 2016 7:00 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more
From the director of one of the Google Fiber builds (in Provo) that is
not the case.
He said they overspent on contractors MAJORLY.
And that was just to expand the existing network to all homes in that
area.
He argued with his bosses about he extravagant added fees on
construction but they just said to pay them, no questions asked.
I had some of those figures from him at that conversation and some
costs were over 80x what it should have been.
My best guess is that all the fiber build in certain areas increased
the contract cost of build into the stratosphere.
And now they are reigning it in and going wireless to attempt to
defray the costs.
At least with Provo they were not allowed to cherry pick, it was build
everyone.
And it seems like they picked up a large portion of the communities,
but I didn�t get overall take rate.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 26, 2016 12:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more
Absolutely they cherry picked. Then they went into MDU�s for
pennies and lost their shirts.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:34 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more
I'd love to see their overall take rates. I have heard numbers of
75-85% in more affluent areas. They cherry picked neighborhoods for sure
though.
On Oct 25, 2016 10:15 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Big surprise there. They built it and no one came.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>]
*On Behalf Of *Tushar Patel
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2016 7:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber is no more
Their contractor are still hiring installer in Austin.
Need to probably understand why those cities not others?
Tushar
On Oct 25, 2016, at 9:06 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
New ones. They're still deploying existing networks. They just
opened up a few new areas in Kansas City recently.
On Oct 25, 2016 9:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Moving folks to wireless.... Aye Dios
On Oct 25, 2016 7:56 PM, "Gino Villarini" <ginovi...@gmail.com
<mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
https://gizmodo.com/google-fiber-halts-operations-in-ten-cities-178821
4992?rev=1477443092657&utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_so
urce=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
