A wall is impractical. Ladder, shovel, spool of det cord. The wall stops nothing. People detectors are much more practical. Give the list members a billion dollars and we will have a string of motion sensors and cameras that will get ‘er done.
Vetting for religion or vetting for a particular flavor of radical is so far impossible. We will need some really functional MRI technology and perhaps some synapse decoding before that will become possible. And if someone lies about being a Muslim, how you gonna freeze them out. No I look Arab but I am a Christian... Can’t vet that. But we have seen teen age boys get radicalized over the internet in just a few days, so there’s that.... From: Paul McCall Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day Jaime, I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are sincere in your concerns. However, a lot of what was made out of his statements was highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points. Instead of listening for actual plans to develop the media way overdid it, and took great liberties to distort for a story line to support their ratings and liberal agenda. In now particular order… There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come into this county. None in the constitution, none in current policy or law. There is a policy to apply for legal immigration. #1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”. Meaning, the US has a right to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might not be a good fit. Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not just a right) to protect itself now and in the future. The US has given up on that for way too long and is a very dangerous position because of the relatively small % of “bad apples” that have let in completely unchecked. The is almost no vetting system currently, no structure on protecting who comes into the country. That being said… The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we know who these people are exactly (and no such vetting system exists), is simply a wise move. He never said permanently. I have Muslim friends and those friends were essentially, vetted by myself. Not in a formal action but in getting to know them. They are the first to acknowledge the cold hard facts, that percentage wise, the number of extremists in that religion is a very large number. They also support the “freeze” because they don’t want to be blown up either randomly at a public place by people that place NO value on your life or theirs. Trump hasn’t spoke of permanent internment camps for Muslims; he said simply, we won’t let them in “until we figure out how to deal with some form of system to vet them”. It’s no more complicated than that. Yet, that’s not what fear and the media would like you to believe. To call using common sense to protect your sovereignty like being a NAZI is far reaching, Not being racist, but being wise, I can glady share in detail (offlist) with you my personal experience In Israel 16 years ago, and the pure evil I experienced from Muslims who were in their own eyes, “just normal”. If there is not enough evidence now to justify wise actions to protect ourselves domestically from evil factions from permeating the US sovereign integrity, then we are really, really missing something. It IS a cultural thing, and it is scary. Since we can’t vet it who is who, a freeze until such time as a system is developed to properly can do that, is reasonable. Is Trump the most eloquent speaker and did he articulate it in a way that the aggressive media cannot tear apart? Absolutely not. On the “wall”, it is a small part, a start if you will, to being to protect the nation’s sovereignty from the south from ANY factions, not just Hispanics. It doesn’t address 75% of the problem. But it is a start. Mexico is discussing the same thing to protect itself from the south. I have zero problem with Mexicans, Hispanics or anybody else. We employee some great Hispanics in my country, and one of them has struggled with the legal system on him staying here. It’s a mess. He doesn’t support no control on immigration. I play in a Latin band where I am the only gringo out of 14 players. None of them would judge as a racist for trying to look at the problem and eliminate the “2% bad element” that does cause 90% of the problem for us. Trump’s comments about some of them back and forth from Mexico that have committed horrendous acts, some repeatedly, with no response on accountability for those shipped back for crimes, IS a problem. Again, did Trump articulate this in a way that didn’t offend a larger block of people in the process? Not a chance. But, Can he start to make changes? I believe he can. Someone mentioned KKK previously. Trump strongly disavowed their support recently. As far as hypocrisy, that certainly is evident based on his past. I can’t and won’t defend that in itself. He seems to mean what he says though, without carefully sculptured PC rhetoric, and he has said openly at each example on his business, taxes…. ”Those loopholes shouldn’t exist. I shouldn’t be allowed exploit those. I know all these because I have taken advantage of most of them. Now, let’s created legislation that STOPS ME from doing so!” I believe his intentions are good in that stance. As far as who voted for Trump yesterday, obviously a LOT of people who tired enough of being PC, that when they went in the voting booth and “flipped that lever” for something other than the PC garbage that has swarmed a country and been completely ineffective, yet incredibly divisive for the past 8 years. I would say give him a chance. I don’t think it is nearly the gloom and doom that the media has stroked into existence. Respectfully, Pablo (Paul) J From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:16 AM To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day So calling a culture rapists is not racist.. Calling a culture terrorist is not racist.. Build a wall, internment camps to house Muslims is not racist? That's how NAZI party got started.. But of course since we don't teach history anymore without editing to make us angelic and perfect how would the uneducated male who helped him win know... Not that they give a shit.. Talking about jobs leaving US when you make suits and clothing in sweatshops out of Asia, welching on deals and contacts, cheating on wife and children, is not an issue. What a crock of shit... I weep for our country... On Nov 9, 2016 7:06 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: Those that came to the US legally are against illegal immigration. Those that did not come here legally or have a difficult time discerning legal from illegal immigration ignorantly label the former group as racist. US citizenship is a proud moment in an applicants life. It is a long and difficult process. Those that work for it hate those going for the shortcut. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:03:03 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white I guess. Maybe I want paying attention. I get the whole Islamophobia deal. Mauve I am just insensitive to what is interpreted as"code language" or whatever. I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What do our Latino friends think about this? On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: And Putin is happy. Wow On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the 1930s and let's Make America White Again theme brought out vote for him. Many of these rural voters want the country to go 50 years... That's the saddest part.. Time will be the judge... I think the world skipped a beat. Right Wing radioheads and KKK guys probably came all over themselves... And make your own tamales.. They will be bland with no flavor. On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: Huh? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day Proves one thing... We are NOT united states On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil you don't know over the devil you do. On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: Just watching the fear on those people's faces is priceless On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks are trying to backpedal and walkback all the nonsense theyve pulled this year, but theyre leaving the door open to not go too far if hillary still flips its so they can do another 180. This is probably the best thing to watch of the night as the reality sets in that they may have really fu**ed up On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: The whole "populist" candidate thing...Bernie on the left, Trump on the right. Is populist = = bad? Maybe not. On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: Somebody mentioned on the news that "This wasn't... Trump wasn't running on a platform of unifying our country.. he wasn't a unity candidate. This is going to have very, very deep consequences across the board for our country." On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > they skewed their models hoping the hive mind of the public would vote for > their candidate. they overvalued their influence and undervalued the > internets reach. > The GOP is dead, thats good, all the never trumpers days are numbers, their > constituents have spoken. America is a better place without it. > > Remember, trump isnt a republican, hes more an independent than anything hes > so across the board on the major issues. He could have run an independent > race but would have just split the right. Even if she pulls a last minute > hail mary and wins it, this is a win for the long term of our governance. > Bernie broke the democrats, they just dont know it, 2020 is going to be a > hell of a race > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >> >> If a Democrat were to have won this Presidency, it would have been the >> first 3 consecutive terms since that happened beyond the middle of the >> century. The polling people are freaking out, as all of their modeling has >> been quite far off. This has been MUCH closer than any of them expected. >> >> Recreational and medical marijuana is growing as well. >> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> They called Wisconsin for Trump.... A Republican hasn't won here since >>> 1984 >>> >>> >>> On Nov 8, 2016 10:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dow futures down near 700 points. GOP commentator on the tv is saying >>>> "The party of Regan is dead. The GOP had become an empty vessel, and it was >>>> filled up with Trumpish. NATO partners are nervous. We really don't know >>>> what Trump's policies would be if elected as President". >>>> >>>> This is a fascinating election. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> We’re up quite a bit. Lots of Google/Akamai cache streams. Upstreams >>>>> are up as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm >>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> they can be the beta testers for the walls >>>>> >>>>> suprisingly my network is down right now about 40 percent usage, i >>>>> expected alot of peope would be streaming the election, maybe theyre >>>>> watching on satellite or already ate their bullets >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 9:36 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If there was ever a place to wall off, start with DC. And then Cook >>>>>> County. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/8/2016 9:27 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I would rather see American Samoa and Puerto Rico get statehood than >>>>>> DC. it was set apart for a reason. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 9:22 PM That One Guy /sarcasm >>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thats should be interesting, are they going to petition on their >>>>>>> crime rate alone? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> WOW Washington DC just elected to support a bid for statehood by >>>>>>>> 71%. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 9:07 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> George is right. My write in might win. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 9:05 PM Lewis Bergman >>>>>>>>> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If Trump won cali I would demand a recount. Josh is right. This >>>>>>>>>> whole thing is another exampleof the electoral mess. The only thing scarier >>>>>>>>>> than popular vote determination is the convoluted crap we are in. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 8:59 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Might wanna hang out there for awhile until the toxic cloud >>>>>>>>>> passes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 8:57 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm staying in the basement with my 870 loaded until dawn. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/2016 8:53 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> i want trump to pull california, just to see if clinton will stand >>>>>>>>>> by her word to accept the results >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Lewis Bergman >>>>>>>>>> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Come on, they could have called Texas 2 years ago. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 8:41 PM That One Guy /sarcasm >>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> by now i expected a clinton lead >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Mathew Howard >>>>>>>>>> <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What's wrong with Ohio? Looks fine to me... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 8:13 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" >>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> what the hell is going on in ohio? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:09 PM, Jaime Solorza >>>>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They are calling Texas.... Wow. People still in line here... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 6:57 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yea. Nobody would believe it, nor should they. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 7:55 PM That One Guy /sarcasm >>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> trump is pulling forward there now. >>>>>>>>>> If texas went to hillary its a given the race will be contested >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Jaime Solorza >>>>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So far Texas is 48 vs 48...JUST THAT IS DIFFERENT >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 6:00 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" >>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> always vote! always! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Jaime Solorza >>>>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I voted proudly... That's what count >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jaimie...I sympathize with your likely feelings of irrelevance. I >>>>>>>>>> always vote but in such a red state it doesn't matter how you vote there are >>>>>>>>>> so many die hard Republicans it doesn't make a difference. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I wish we could throw some libertarians in there and shake things >>>>>>>>>> up. We might get some appreciation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 5:58 PM Jaime Solorza >>>>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Damn. Eric and I are dumb.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 4:52 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" ...
