the man ran against the dnc, the gop, and the media and won. doing
things previously thought impossible by those stuck in a mindset of
complacency is now his stock and trade
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:33 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
A wall is impractical. Ladder, shovel, spool of det cord. The
wall stops nothing. People detectors are much more practical.
Give the list members a billion dollars and we will have a string
of motion sensors and cameras that will get ‘er done.
Vetting for religion or vetting for a particular flavor of radical
is so far impossible. We will need some really functional MRI
technology and perhaps some synapse decoding before that will
become possible.
And if someone lies about being a Muslim, how you gonna freeze
them out. No I look Arab but I am a Christian... Can’t vet that.
But we have seen teen age boys get radicalized over the internet
in just a few days, so there’s that....
*From:* Paul McCall
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:08 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
Jaime,____
____
I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are
sincere in your concerns. However, a lot of what was made out of
his statements was highly exaggerated into PC / political talking
points. Instead of listening for actual plans to develop the
media way overdid it, and took great liberties to distort for a
story line to support their ratings and liberal agenda.____
____
In now particular order…____
____
There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to
come into this county. None in the constitution, none in current
policy or law. There is a policy to apply for legal immigration.____
____
#1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”. Meaning, the US
has a right to real borders, and has a right to not admit those
who might not be a good fit. Yep, that is the case and the US has
a duty (not just a right) to protect itself now and in the
future. The US has given up on that for way too long and is a
very dangerous position because of the relatively small % of “bad
apples” that have let in completely unchecked. The is almost no
vetting system currently, no structure on protecting who comes
into the country.____
____
That being said…____
The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we
know who these people are exactly (and no such vetting system
exists), is simply a wise move. He never said permanently. I have
Muslim friends and those friends were essentially, vetted by
myself. Not in a formal action but in getting to know them. They
are the first to acknowledge the cold hard facts, that percentage
wise, the number of extremists in that religion is a very large
number. They also support the “freeze” because they don’t want to
be blown up either randomly at a public place by people that place
NO value on your life or theirs. Trump hasn’t spoke of permanent
internment camps for Muslims; he said simply, we won’t let them in
“until we figure out how to deal with some form of system to vet
them”. It’s no more complicated than that. Yet, that’s not what
fear and the media would like you to believe. To call using
common sense to protect your sovereignty like being a NAZI is far
reaching,____
____
Not being racist, but being wise, I can glady share in detail
(offlist) with you my personal experience In Israel 16 years ago,
and the pure evil I experienced from Muslims who were in their own
eyes, “just normal”. If there is not enough evidence now to
justify wise actions to protect ourselves domestically from evil
factions from permeating the US sovereign integrity, then we are
really, really missing something. It IS a cultural thing, and it
is scary. ____
____
Since we can’t vet it who is who, a freeze until such time as a
system is developed to properly can do that, is reasonable. Is
Trump the most eloquent speaker and did he articulate it in a way
that the aggressive media cannot tear apart? Absolutely not. ____
____
On the “wall”, it is a small part, a start if you will, to being
to protect the nation’s sovereignty from the south from ANY
factions, not just Hispanics. It doesn’t address 75% of the
problem. But it is a start. Mexico is discussing the same thing
to protect itself from the south. I have zero problem with
Mexicans, Hispanics or anybody else. We employee some great
Hispanics in my country, and one of them has struggled with the
legal system on him staying here. It’s a mess. He doesn’t
support no control on immigration. I play in a Latin band where I
am the only gringo out of 14 players. None of them would judge as
a racist for trying to look at the problem and eliminate the “2%
bad element” that does cause 90% of the problem for us. Trump’s
comments about some of them back and forth from Mexico that have
committed horrendous acts, some repeatedly, with no response on
accountability for those shipped back for crimes, IS a problem.
Again, did Trump articulate this in a way that didn’t offend a
larger block of people in the process? Not a chance. But, Can he
start to make changes? I believe he can.____
____
Someone mentioned KKK previously. Trump strongly disavowed their
support recently. ____
____
As far as hypocrisy, that certainly is evident based on his past.
I can’t and won’t defend that in itself. He seems to mean what he
says though, without carefully sculptured PC rhetoric, and he has
said openly at each example on his business, taxes…. ”Those
loopholes shouldn’t exist. I shouldn’t be allowed exploit those.
I know all these because I have taken advantage of most of them.
Now, let’s created legislation that STOPS ME from doing so!” I
believe his intentions are good in that stance.____
____
As far as who voted for Trump yesterday, obviously a LOT of people
who tired enough of being PC, that when they went in the voting
booth and “flipped that lever” for something other than the PC
garbage that has swarmed a country and been completely
ineffective, yet incredibly divisive for the past 8 years.____
____
I would say give him a chance. I don’t think it is nearly the
gloom and doom that the media has stroked into existence.____
____
Respectfully,____
____
Pablo (Paul) J____
____
____
____
____
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:16 AM
*To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day____
____
So calling a culture rapists is not racist.. Calling a culture
terrorist is not racist.. Build a wall, internment camps to house
Muslims is not racist? That's how NAZI party got started.. But of
course since we don't teach history anymore without editing to
make us angelic and perfect how would the uneducated male who
helped him win know... Not that they give a shit.. ____
Talking about jobs leaving US when you make suits and clothing in
sweatshops out of Asia, welching on deals and contacts, cheating
on wife and children, is not an issue. What a crock of shit... I
weep for our country... ____
____
On Nov 9, 2016 7:06 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:____
Those that came to the US legally are against illegal
immigration. Those that did not come here legally or have a
difficult time discerning legal from illegal immigration
ignorantly label the former group as racist.
US citizenship is a proud moment in an applicants life. It is
a long and difficult process. Those that work for it hate
those going for the shortcut.____
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<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>____
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*From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:03:03 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day____
I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white
I guess. Maybe I want paying attention. I get the whole
Islamophobia deal. Mauve I am just insensitive to what is
interpreted as"code language" or whatever.____
I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What
do our Latino friends think about this?____
____
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:____
And Putin is happy. Wow____
____
On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:____
The fears he played to, like someone we know back in
the 1930s and let's Make America White Again theme
brought out vote for him. Many of these rural voters
want the country to go 50 years... That's the saddest
part.. Time will be the judge... I think the world
skipped a beat. Right Wing radioheads and KKK guys
probably came all over themselves... And make your own
tamales.. They will be bland with no flavor. ____
On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett"
<af...@ics-il.net> wrote:____
Huh?____
-----
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
<http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>____
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*From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
*To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on
Election Day____
Proves one thing... We are NOT united states____
____
On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:____
I guess this proves sometimes people prefer
the devil you don't know over the devil you
do.____
____
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard
<mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:____
Just watching the fear on those people's
faces is priceless ____
____
On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy
/sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:____
oh, this is so funny to watch, the
media folks are trying to backpedal
and walkback all the nonsense theyve
pulled this year, but theyre leaving
the door open to not go too far if
hillary still flips its so they can do
another 180. This is probably the best
thing to watch of the night as the
reality sets in that they may have
really fu**ed up____
____
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis
Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:____
The whole "populist" candidate
thing...Bernie on the left, Trump
on the right. Is populist = = bad?
Maybe not.____
____
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh
Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:____
Somebody mentioned on the news
that "This wasn't... Trump wasn't
running on a platform of
unifying our country.. he
wasn't a unity
candidate. This is going to
have very, very deep
consequences across
the board for our country."
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52
PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>they skewed their models
hoping the hive mind of the
public would vote for
> their candidate. they overvalued
theirinfluence and undervalued the
> internets reach.
>The GOP is dead, thats good,
all the never trumpers days
are numbers, their
> constituents have spoken. America is
abetter place without it.
>
> Remember, trump isnta republican, hes
more an
independent than anything hes
> so across the board on the major
issues. He couldhave run an independent
> race but would have just splitthe
right. Even if she pulls a
last minute
> hail maryand wins it, this is a win
for
the long term of our governance.
> Bernie broke the democrats, they just
dontknow it, 2020 is going to be a
> hell of arace
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM,
JoshReynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>> If a Democrat were to have wonthis
Presidency, it would have
been the
>> first 3consecutive terms since that
happened beyond the middle of the
>> century. The polling people are
freaking out,as all of their modeling has
>> been quite far off.This has been
MUCH closer than
any of them expected.
>>
>> Recreational and medicalmarijuana is
growing as well.
>>
>> On Tue,Nov 8, 2016 at 10:43 PM,
Mathew Howard
<mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>>
>>> They called Wisconsinfor Trump....
A Republican
hasn't won here since
>>>1984
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 8,2016 10:40 PM, "Josh
Reynolds"
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dow futuresdown near 700 points.
GOP
commentator on the tv is saying
>>>> "The party of Regan is dead.
TheGOP had become an empty
vessel, and it was
>>>>filled up with Trumpish. NATO
partners are nervous. We
really don't know
>>>> what Trump's policies would beif
elected as President".
>>>>
>>>> This is afascinating election.
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:15
PM, Cassidy B. Larson
<c...@infowest.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We’reup quite a bit. Lots of
Google/Akamai cache streams.
Upstreams
>>>>> are up aswell.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:44 PM,
That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> theycan be the beta testers for
the walls
>>>>>
>>>>>suprisingly my network is down
right now about 40 percent
usage, i
>>>>> expected alot of peope wouldbe
streaming the election,
maybe theyre
>>>>> watching on satellite oralready
ate their bullets
>>>>>
>>>>> OnTue, Nov 8, 2016 at 9:36 PM,
George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If there was ever a place to
wall off, start with DC. And
then Cook
>>>>>>County.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 11/8/2016 9:27 PM, Lewis
Bergman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I would rather see American
Samoa and Puerto Rico get
statehood than
>>>>>> DC. it was setapart for a reason.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 9:22 PM
That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>thats should be interesting,
are they going to petition on
their
>>>>>>> crime ratealone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 9:13
PM, Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>WOW Washington DC just elected
to support a bid for statehood by
>>>>>>>>71%.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Nov 8, 2016 9:07 PM, "Lewis
Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>George is right. My write in
might win.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 9:05 PM
Lewis Bergman
>>>>>>>>> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If Trump won cali I would
demand a recount. Josh is
right. This
>>>>>>>>>> whole thingis another
exampleof the
electoral mess. The only thing
scarier
>>>>>>>>>> thanpopular vote
determination is
the convoluted crap we are in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 8:59 PM
Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Might wanna hang out there for
awhile until the toxic cloud
>>>>>>>>>>passes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Nov 8, 2016 8:57 PM,
"George Skorup"
<geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I'm staying in the basement
with my 870 loaded until dawn.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On 11/8/2016 8:53 PM, That One
Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>i want trump to pull
california, just to see if
clinton will stand
>>>>>>>>>> by her wordto accept the
results
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:49
PM, Lewis Bergman
>>>>>>>>>> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Come on, they could have
called Texas 2 years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 8:41 PM
That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>by now i expected a clinton
lead
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:38
PM, Mathew Howard
>>>>>>>>>> <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What's wrong with Ohio? Looks
fine to me...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Nov 8, 2016 8:13 PM, "That
One Guy /sarcasm"
>>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>what the hell is going on in
ohio?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:09
PM, Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>They are calling Texas....
Wow. People still in line
here...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Nov 8, 2016 6:57 PM, "Lewis
Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yea. Nobody would believe it,
nor should they.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 7:55 PM
That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>trump is pulling forward there
now.
>>>>>>>>>> If texas wentto hillary its
a given the
race will be contested
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 7:38
PM, Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So far Texas is 48 vs
48...JUST THAT IS DIFFERENT
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Nov 8, 2016 6:00 PM, "That
One Guy /sarcasm"
>>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>always vote! always!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:48
PM, Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I voted proudly... That's what
count
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Nov 8, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis
Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Jaimie...I sympathize with
your likely feelings of
irrelevance. I
>>>>>>>>>>always vote but in such a red
state it doesn't matter how
you vote there are
>>>>>>>>>> somany die hard Republicans
it
doesn't make a difference.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I wish we could throw some
libertarians in there and
shake things
>>>>>>>>>> up. Wemight get some
appreciation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 5:58 PM
Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Damn. Eric and I are dumb....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Nov 8, 2016 4:52 PM, "That
One Guy /sarcasm"____
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