I thought that was the point? Remote on/off and shitcan all their meter readers....
________________________________ From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question I just happened to be at a property today where they were install a new smartmeter. The Tech confirmed that they do have the ability to cut to the power to the house from the meter. On 1/3/2017 9:42 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Good news: would probably trip the breaker > Bad news: probably not fast enough > More bad news: that kind of voltage would probably arc right across the > opening breaker contacts > > Maybe there's a fuse for that. Like the ones up on poles that you reset with > a hot stick. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 9:11 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question > > I doubt it. Much more energy involved when a primary gets into a secondary. > Not short duration impulses like lightning. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Burke > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 6:08 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question > > Would one of those 'Whole Home Surge Protectors' Protect against something > like this? > > On 1/2/2017 6:21 PM, Robert wrote: >> When I was living in Santa Cruz we had a situation where the wind hit >> exactly the right direction at exactly the right speed and stayed there. >> The lines started swaying harmonically. Larger and larger loops until >> they crossed. At that point ( I was watching it happen from bed out the >> back window) it got interesting in the house with every active circuit >> with any resistance going bright red. I looked down at a power strip the >> old style cream colored one and the whole interior was bright orange. I >> was doing X10 at the time and they popped like popcorn around the house... >> The wires stayed wrapped and I think a pole mounted breaker blew and >> everything went dark.. The sound when they crossed was very loud. >> Amazingly I described what happened to PG&E they said take everything >> smoked to their office and they wrote me a check right there and then.. >> About $1500 which at the time was four months rent... >> >> On 1/2/17 3:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> We had a situation where the center tap on a local distribution >>> transformer got crossed with one of the phases. It resulted in one >>> phase going to ground potential, and the second phase going to ~~ 220 volts. >>> >>> Everything 110V on the dead phase was unaffected (because it was >>> dead), and everything 110V on the other phase got fried (because it >>> was at 220V). >>> >>> I had gotten up that morning, and I heard our pool pump kick on, >>> which was a 220V motor wired between phases. Sounded like a "normal" >>> morning. >>> >>> Walking through the family room on the way to the kitchen, I flipped >>> on the light, and POP! The light in the family room literally exploded. >>> Weird I thought, but the pool pump is running normally.... Not having >>> had my coffee infusion yet, I proceeded to the kitchen. I flipped on >>> the kitchen lights and POP! another light bulb explosion. Now it had >>> my attention. >>> >>> I went into the garage, and grabbed my DVM (making sure not to turn >>> anything on). Going around the house I found some outlets dead, and >>> some reading 220V. When I encountered the first one at 220V, my next >>> stop was the main panel, where I flipped off the main breaker. >>> >>> >>> bp >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 1/2/2017 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>> OK, had not consider primaries getting into the drop. Yeah, that >>>> could kill everything similar to what she is describing. >>>> I am wondering if you hit a light bulb with enough voltage to >>>> vaporize the filament will it over pressure the envelope enough to explode? >>>> >>>> *From:* George Skorup >>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2017 4:05 PM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question >>>> >>>> Must have forgot their tin-foil towels. >>>> >>>> I don't know what the voltage would have to be to jump a light >>>> switch, but I can tell you that I've seen it. A few years ago, a >>>> tree fell in my sister's neighbor's yard and knocked the primaries >>>> down on top of her secondaries. So that was at least 12-13kV. It was >>>> ugly. Whole house had to be rewired. >>>> >>>> On 1/2/2017 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>> *that device knows I woke up to my cell phone alarm at 7 this >>>>> morning, brewed myself a cup of coffee at 7:10, and another at >>>>> 7:25,.and another at 8. Then, I took a shower for 10 minutes and >>>>> washed dishes after that. * >>>>> >>>>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 2, 2017 11:55 AM >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question >>>>> >>>>> Seriously... >>>>> >>>>> When they publish things like this: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "With that flash, every lightbulb in my house had exploded! The >>>>> old lightbulbs merely popped and shattered. Those new lightbulbs >>>>> (CFLs) were on fire! I could see smoke, smell burning plastic. I >>>>> had no idea what happened." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, every lightbulb was on? If not the overvoltage jumped the >>>>> switch? How much of an overvoltage event does it take to make a >>>>> lightbulb pop like you see in movies? I have never seen it happen. >>>>> Especially difficult when the switch is off. >>>>> >>>>> All this happened because of a smart meter? >>>>> >>>>> And later: >>>>> >>>>> "All the while I was experiencing more electrical issues and >>>>> finding more damage. The craziest thing that occurred was I >>>>> literally was shocked getting into the shower! I went to grab the >>>>> nozzle to direct the water down and when I grabbed it, I >>>>> literally got a jolt of electricity, my hand stuck, my knees >>>>> buckled and down I went. I didn't take a shower after that, >>>>> needless to say. >>>>> >>>>> When I came downstairs, I heard water and could hear popping. The >>>>> main water line from my well had exploded and electricity was >>>>> sparking from it." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/06/27/smart-meters-fire-living-he >>>>> ll-and-bureaucratic-messes/ >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Robert Andrews >>>>> Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 11:41 AM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question >>>>> >>>>> Seth, was that meant to be tongue-in-cheek? >>>>> >>>>> http://emfsafetynetwork.org/smart-meters/smart-meter-fires-and-expl >>>>> osions/ >>>>> >>>>> On 01/02/2017 10:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: >>>>>> On 1/2/17 09:39, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>>> Well, I guess if they change out the socket when they change the >>>>> meter, >>>>>>> they could put a big ass contactor in there. >>>>>>> Note the statement uses the future tense "will have remote >>>>> switching >>>>>>> capabilities". Like cars will have the ability to fly... >>>>>>> >>>>>> I suppose the other option would be SCRs, but there's heat issues >>>>> with >>>>>> those as they get bigger. An SCR could start an electrical fire >>>>> if it >>>>>> overheated. >>>>>> >>>>>> ~Seth >>>>>>
