Yes, that is an offense. The person who dropped the classified material did not take appropriate action to prevent you from seeing it. Depending upon the classification level, that guy could be in serious trouble.
I was one of two people who had a TS-SBI clearance at the facility I worked in. There were several procedures we had to go thru to ensure that non cleared individuals could not see or access the equipment we worked on. As to you picking up classified documents and reading them, I am almost positive you would have to sign several documents before you were allowed access to an area where classified materiel exists. One of them would address that very scenario. The rest of the facility I worked in was classified Secret. When we had visitors (mostly military brass) everything had to be covered, screen blanked, etc. It was a major pain as all classified material was inventoried before anyone got there and again after everyone left. On Feb 16, 2017, at 8:34 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > I dont know the laws on viewing classified information. Is it criminal to do > so, like say im chillin at the CIA and some guy drops a folder labelled > classified, if I pick it up and look at it is that criminal? > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > I would have asked him for a chain of custody receipt. > > From: That One Guy /sarcasm > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:00 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left > > Yeah there are all kind of rules about local police and even emergency > services at international airports internal boundaries, we learned about this > for EMS, not sure why, I guess it would matter if you worked near one. > > But still, those who posess classified information are responsibleish for its > handling, as long as you don't ask Loretta lynch. No different than going to > a foreign country. This guy probably got taught about this when he acquired > the clearance, it was probably all of seven words in a long discussion or > whatever one does to get clearance. It would have been a better story if he > had stood his ground until it moved up the chain for clarification. > > On Feb 15, 2017 8:31 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > Sorry, meant to include this as well. > > DEFINING THE BORDER > > The definition of the border for federal immigration enforcement purposes is > broad. Activities take place along international land boundaries. Border > enforcement also takes place at many seaports and along the coastline. > Related maritime operations occur along the northern border on the Great > Lakes and St. Lawrence Seaway, and around U.S. territories, such as Puerto > Rico. > > In addition, border enforcement exists well inside the United States at > international airports and up to 100 miles inside the physical border with > Mexico or Canada, where U.S. Customs and Border Protection has the authority > to operate checkpoints and transportation checks. > > http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2015/02/immigration-enforcement-along-us-borders-and-at-ports-of-entry > > On Feb 15, 2017 7:56 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > YES. Customs == border. > > On Feb 15, 2017 7:51 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > So he wasn't on US soil? At customs check in, our rights get suspended? I > need to consult the oracle... > > On Feb 15, 2017 6:43 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > Decent writeup here: > > https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/02/a-nasa-engineer-is-required-to-unlock-his-phone-at-the-border/516489/ > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Jaime Solorza > <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Engineer was on US soil, at airport, not border..... Good luck with that > > fact > > > > On Feb 15, 2017 4:36 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > >> > >> You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has > >> legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a > >> threat. > >> > >> Good luck with that. > >> > >> On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me their > >>> warrant. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds > >>> <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> This recently happened to an individual with a government issued phone > >>> from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have > >>> clearance to view the classification of the material on this device. > >>> > >>> On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic devices like > >>> phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may demand that > >>> you > >>> unlock the device and let them rummage through your files and social media > >>> posts. Even if you are just an ordinary citizen. If you think they need > >>> a > >>> warrant for this, you would be mistaken. They can probably only detain > >>> your > >>> for maybe a day and confiscate your phone, but you don’t have the same > >>> rights as you would if a cop stopped you on the street. > >>> > >>> There are rumors the retro Nokia 3310 phone will be revived. That would > >>> probably be a good one to take on foreign trips. > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown > >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:40 PM > >>> To: af@afmug.com > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left > >>> > >>> Computer wore tennis shoes. > >>> Janitor > >>> Mop bucket > >>> Been done before > >>> > >>> From: That One Guy /sarcasm > >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:34 PM > >>> To: af@afmug.com > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left > >>> > >>> This is interesting, explains alot of the leakage. so basically now the > >>> janitors can take a little gander every now and then > >>> > >>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Steve <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the N.S.A. > >>> may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance > >>> operations, which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. > >>> These include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and emails > >>> that cross network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad > >>> that > >>> cross domestic network switches. > >>> > >>> https://pjmedia.com/trending/ 2017/02/15/surprise-at-the- > >>> end-obama-administration-gave- nsa-broad-new-powers/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > >>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
