I don' think I made a personal attack. I said , in this case, you had no clue. I think, being that I am always right in my own mind, that statement is accurate. It isn't personal as I don't even know who you are.
I obviously offended you and for that, I apologize. It is fun to play conspiracy theory all day. In this case, the conspiracy is really about buying votes and favor from voters and party factions with policy. Yes, that translates to political power which also translates to money. Lets be honest, doesn't about 85% of the crap each of us do all day have to do with money? Obama didn't want the pipeline because a faction of his party hated the idea. Mostly a symbolic fight as pipeline or no pipeline the oil still moves. Trump wants the pipeline because he made promises about jobs and again, it is a symbol, this time about how gov gets in the way of business. In the end, the oil still moves. If everyone who hates oil and coal would just stop using any good or service that benefits as a result of those fuels the problem would be solved. Oh yea, you can't because literally everything is impacted by one of those. Why, because to date, it has the highest energy output for the cost. Address that and the issue will take care of itself. On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:27 AM Robert <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok, Lewis, > Shift to a personal attack. > > I am saying that there is a back story to a lot of this enviro > whacko > stuff. And the There is $$ that is funneled into that from those that > have that in spades. As there is money that is funneled into the other > side. That's the money that the Indians are getting. Yes Buffett > benefits from railroad transport, he has Yuge investments in the > railroads in the US and oil transport. AND, interestingly, he benefits > when coal starts getting transported in larger amounts. Koch brothers > still have huge investments in the pipeline infrastructure in the US. > Go back 20 years ago and it was estimated that they had direct and > indirect control of 80 percent of buried pipeline in the US. They have > decreased investment into pipelines greatly. But are still in the game > in a major way. > > > https://cleantechnica.com/2015/02/10/transportation-game-keystone-xl-pipeline-koch-brothers-cant-let-go/ > > > On 2/17/17 5:19 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > > Oh I got it. You have no clue, at least in this case. If you look at the > > reasoning behind its delay it was enviro whacko appeasement. Not saying > > Buffet didn't benefit but that wasn't the reason. Koch brothers have as > > little to do with it being built as Buffet did with its delay. The > > current "build it NOW" isn't based on Koch contributions; its based on > > low hanging fruit for Trump to pick saying he is a winner creating jobs. > > > > In the end, Pipelines are more efficient and safer than trains for > > moving oil. For other things, trains are great. Trains are great UNTIL a > > pipeline is built. Having dealt with the indian nations over the last > > couple of decades with NEPA studies and the like they have no standing > > in my mind. They really couldn't care about what harm you might or might > > not do to some ancient ancestral grounds. They base their bribe request > > on what they think they can get out of you. > > I know...not politically correct. So what. > > > > Really, this kind of over simplification and demonizing crap is what got > > us where we are today. > > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:14 PM Robert <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Follow the money... Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is > profiting > > from moving the oil... Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch > > brothers... Got it? > > > > On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > > > Really? Pipeline? So you think carying all that oil via train is > > safer > > > and has less a footprint? > > > > > > I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement. > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > > > > > > i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's > ability to > > > do anything worthwhile.... He does the glamour shots... Repeal > > > restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and > > forest in > > > the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line..... Short > > > sighted.... Our mother has been raped and left to die in > > disgrace.. > > > Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without > help > > > of Afraid of his Shadow, Draft Dodging, Clown Trump... > > > > > > On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > > > > > > FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of > > > individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and > > > equities, as well as emphasizing Europe. Evidently their > > > analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices > and > > > that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up > but > > > no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.____ > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM > > > *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama > > admin...____ > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > We will survive him. I really like what the stock market > is > > > doing. UAW pushing buy American again. Liberal heads > > > exploding. All good stuff. ____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > I still don’t like him, probably never will. But I do > enjoy > > > seeing him giving the media crap. I like that he is > > > unpredictable. Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun > > > maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change > > things. > > > ____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read > some > > > document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to > pass > > > the bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”... > Would > > > have been a good rejoinder. ____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > Just so he does not start another shooting war...____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > *From:*Adam Moffett ____ > > > > > > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM____ > > > > > > *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> ____ > > > > > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers > > > before he left____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good > > at his > > > new job and that the press really is being unfair to > him.____ > > > > > > I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today > during > > > lunch. He definitely was combative with the press. ____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just > > > barely. The numbers speak for themselves. But like the > > > inauguration crowd thing, he just can't accept it for some > > > reason. On this particular point at least he needs to > > grow up.____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------____ > > > > > > From: "Jaime Solorza" <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>>____ > > > > > > To: "Animal Farm" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>____ > > > > > > Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM____ > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers > > > before he left____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > Now my sides are aching.... Fine tuned machine.... > ____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > > https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > wrote:____ > > > > > > I will always wonder about agent orange. When I > was a > > > kid, my dad sold farm chemicals to supplement the > > meager > > > living the dry land wheat farm/ranch was > > producing. We > > > had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I > remember > > > getting coated with the stuff by an aerial > applicator > > > once. The barrels were actually orange and had > > the Olin > > > logos on them. This was early 1960s. None of us > ever > > > suffered the symptoms commonly associated with > agent > > > orange. Odd... ____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > *From:*Bill Prince ____ > > > > > > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM____ > > > > > > *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> ____ > > > > > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad > New > > > Powers before he left____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange > is > > > purely coincidental.____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > bp____ > > > > > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____ > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:____ > > > > > > Strange. I think he purchased a reality > > distortion > > > field generator from Steve Jobs but does not > > > understand that it only works in Cupertino. > ____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > *From:*Jaime Solorza ____ > > > > > > *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM____ > > > > > > *To:*Animal Farm ____ > > > > > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA > > Broad New > > > Powers before he left____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > Laughing my ass off ____ > > > > > > > > > https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince" > > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > wrote:____ > > > > > > You made me look it up Josh. Not having > had to > > > cross the border in a while, I was in the > > dark. > > > Then, as it happens, I listened to this > > podcast:____ > > > > > > > > http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > bp____ > > > > > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____ > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:____ > > > > > > You are not protected by the > Constitution > > > when at the border. DHS has legal > > rights to > > > detain you indefinitely until they > > feel like > > > you are not a threat. ____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > Good luck with that.____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince" > > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:____ > > > > > > If someone asks me to unlock my > > phone, I > > > would ask them to show me their > > warrant.____ > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 > > 3:01 PM, > > > Josh Reynolds > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:____ > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > This recently happened to an > > individual > > > with a government issued phone > > from NASA > > > JPL, and there's a huge stink > because > > > the DHS didn't have clearance to > view > > > the classification of the material > on > > > this device.____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken > Hohhof" > > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:____ > > > > > > If you travel outside the > country, > > > and carry any electronic > devices > > > like phones and laptops, be > > prepared > > > for the possibility they may > > demand > > > that you unlock the device and > let > > > them rummage through your > > files and > > > social media posts. Even if > > you are > > > just an ordinary citizen. If > you > > > think they need a warrant for > > this, > > > you would be mistaken. They > can > > > probably only detain your for > > maybe > > > a day and confiscate your > > phone, but > > > you don’t have the same rights > as > > > you would if a cop stopped > you on > > > the street.____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > There are rumors the retro > Nokia > > > 3310 phone will be revived. > That > > > would probably be a good one > > to take > > > on foreign trips.____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > *From:*Af > > > [mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>] *On > > > Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, February > > 15, 2017 > > > 4:40 PM > > > *To:* [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama > Admin > > > Gave NSA Broad New Powers > > before he > > > left____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > Computer wore tennis shoes.____ > > > > > > Janitor____ > > > > > > Mop bucket____ > > > > > > Been done before____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > *From:*That One Guy /sarcasm > ____ > > > > > > *Sent:*Wednesday, February 15, > > 2017 > > > 3:34 PM____ > > > > > > *To:*[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> ____ > > > > > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama > Admin > > > Gave NSA Broad New Powers > > before he > > > left____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > This is interesting, explains > alot > > > of the leakage. so basically > > now the > > > janitors can take a little > gander > > > every now and then____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:22 > PM, > > > Steve <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > wrote:____ > > > > > > The new rules significantly > > > relax longstanding limits > on > > > what the N.S.A. may do > > with the > > > information gathered by > > its most > > > powerful surveillance > > > operations, which are > largely > > > unregulated by American > > > wiretapping laws. These > > include > > > collecting satellite > > > transmissions, phone calls > and > > > emails that cross network > > > switches abroad, and > messages > > > between people abroad that > > cross > > > domestic network switches. > > > > > > > > > https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/02/15/surprise-at-the-end-obama-administration-gave-nsa-broad-new-powers/____ > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > -- ____ > > > > > > If you only see yourself as > > part of > > > the team but you don't see > > your team > > > as part of yourself you have > > already > > > failed as part of the team.____ > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > >
