I get you.  In principle it is WRONG.  Obviously.  I also don't agree with the 
terrorist detainees without trials.  Just the fact they can arbitrarily take 
anyone.  Hopefully Trump will consider revising the Patriot act when it comes 
back up.  

Like I said at the end  - its bittersweet.  I am not in fear of getting in 
trouble because I don't do anything wrong.  But then again I don't want 
wiretaps in my office and or home either.  

Ask a woman if its ok to look through their purse when they are not looking.  
See if that is acceptable behavior.  

On a side note looks like the Mikrotik exploits are mainly based on the webfig 
side so far. 



----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 10:30:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

> I knew about windows since like 98 because I knew a Microsoft employee who
> told me about what they could do.  Skype didn't surprise me either.  Quite
> frankly I don't care because I don't have anything to hide.

This "I don't have anything to hide" is as long as your country behaves fair to 
you.
For 95% of the world this is not the case. And even in US you might run into 
problems communicating with the wrong people or sharing a bus with them. 
Remember there are/were some people in Guantanamo which never seen a judge. 
Some are free after years without a hearing. I guess they have another view.

Look at this case:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Kurnaz
He met some filter criteria and had no chance.

I have nothing to hide but I have no good feeling seeing what possibilities are 
in the hands of people I dont know and I am not sure about their motivation. 
May be arresting someone helps their career. So they lower the filter and grab 
someone who is just at the wrong time and place as Kurnaz.

>
>
>
> I'm torn about this because this pisses me off.. but then again they need to 
> be
> able to spy on other countries to protect us.  So this is a bittersweet day.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Reichhart" <timreichh...@hometowncable.net>
> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:56:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks
>
> Now I can see this being problem for Miktroik or for that matter Edgerouters 
> or
> any type of Linux based routers. I wonder what MK is going do about this to
> harden the software?
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve <li...@wavedirect.org>
> > To: af <af@afmug.com>
> > Date: 03/07/17 09:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks
> >
> > https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/UsersGuide.pdf
> >
> > ^^User guide how to hack the Mikrotik
> >
> > Hopefully they are reading this and will get patching ASAP.
> >
> > Well I'm not shocked at all the rest.  We know they have Cisco,
> > Solaris, Juniper
> >
> > I'm not shocked at all the rest just that they heavily focused so much
> > on Mikrotik. But your point about being Eastern European does make sense.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> > To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:48:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks
> >
> > I don't understand. MikroTik is used frequently in the EU and
> > developing world, which makes it a great target.
> >
> > Why are you so shocked?
> >
> > On Mar 7, 2017 8:45 AM, "Steve" <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Wow.. They actually have something for the Mikrotik too. All the
> > > rest of it does not shock me at all. We know you can hack cars,
> > > Iphones and Android devices ...  But the Mikrotik really?
> > >
> > > https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
> > >

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