So, to me that sounds like I do need to add (subtract) that from the link budget ??
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig Passive optical muxing is just a cascade of splitters with the 3dB per split. So 8:1 passive mux is 2*2*2 so 9 dB theoretically, 11 or so in real life. From: Paul McCall Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 4:31 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig Does using a mux require a “better” optical budget? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:31 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig Not really. A mux is a mux. Just pay attention to insertion loss numbers to make sure you still have the optical budget you need. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 5:29:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig Is running an 8 channel mux any more reliable than a 40 channel mux on a link of that distance? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:22 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig Cheaper to use a mux now than to figure out how to transition 10G of traffic elsewhere later when you need to take the link down to put a mux in? :-p ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 5:20:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig I didn’t think of that but yes that makes sense From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 2:19 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig Not that you wont need them, but maybe someone else would and you can sell a channel to them? On Apr 14, 2017, at 12:07 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote: Wow, I can’t imagine needing that many channels of 10G anytime in the near future. But, I guess ya never know From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 1:26 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig They do have smaller ones, but the cost of the mux isn't that much. Our 18 channel ones are about $1500 for the pair, IIRC. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 11:16:21 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig This looks like it supports 40 channels, I really just need one (for now), but if that is part of the HW config needed, 8 channel would be more than sufficient. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 8:35 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig Use this tool.... to help you understand and design LH fiber solutions. http://www.fs.com/support/dwdm-edfa-amplifier-for-long-haul-applications-100 Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> ________________________________ From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 2:45:54 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Backhauling fiber 80 miles at 10Gig What equipment can we use (cost efficient) to light up 80 miles of dark fiber at 10gbit? Paul, PDMNet
