That's similar to what I was thinking, but you have more detail.

"Mesh" as a routing topology is old, tried, and true. A mesh topology composed of solid PTP connections is a perfectly good idea. "Mesh" meaning wifi with WDS can't scale for a service provider and is guaranteed to fail in the long run.

However, when they say only a few people in the neighborhood need an installation because we're going to build a mesh, then I'm inclined to think they're talking about the second thing.



------ Original Message ------
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: 6/25/2017 5:30:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

Context, context context...

everyone has a different picture in their mind when the word "Mesh" is mentioned. However not everyone out there is 'stupid' as everyone here is making them out to be... Yes, there are those in the industry who simply what OPM (other peoples money) irrespective of any stated end goal....

Having said that, we are starting to see "multi-radio" AP's, so to answer your question, using a traditional single radio concept, the answer would be NO... however if you think of 'multi-radio' units, then the equation can change drastically....

For those who want to understand this concept better, take a look at what Xirrus did/does for high density Wifi deployment, granted they get a premium for their stuff, but their "AP" are multi-radio units, 2/4/8/16 with some combination of 2.4Ghz & 5Ghz... so fast forward technology, think of a multi-radio AP, using multiple 2.4ghz, 5Ghz and 60ghz radios, and now see how far this concept can go ?

Now add to it the additional 64-75ghz band recently opened up by the FCC and now we can go a bit farther and a larger scaling the 'Mesh'.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

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Will either of those protocols actually scale to a reasonable number of nodes?

 Jared


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 From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[email protected]>
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With 60 ghz cheap radios and TRILL or SPB, I believe the multi backhaul Mesh
 coulee be feasible.

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Years ago there was a product called, from what I remember, ClearMesh that was
 very cool. It had 3 FSO
links built into that automatically tracked and found new mesh sites. It had an
 ethernet port that could be
fed fiber or to a customer. Range was something like 200M and cost ~$7,000 each.
 Could probably be done
a cheaper and more reliable with 24/60GHz. They were hyping it for a couple
 years and I think it only was
 on the market for less then a year before they went belly up.




 Gino A. Villarini

 President
 Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
 On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Robert
<[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> wrote:I tried to work with an Orbi setup but the configuration was locked up against it's own config controls.. i.e. broken. It uses _All_ of the top and bottom of the 5 Ghz
 spectrum and no way to move it's usage around.

On 6/24/17 7:41 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:Netgear Orbi does that with 4x4 MU-MIMO
 and multiple radios. Spendy though.

 - Josh

 On Jun 24, 2017 9:26 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
 <[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]
 <mailto:[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]>> wrote:

    I agree with you....  I don't know how many times I've had to
    explain to people why mesh doesn't work well.  And have seen
    numerous startups fail who think their magic routing voodoo will
    make this work.   It is one of those technologies which just
    intuitively seems like should work, but doesn't for so many
    different reasons.

    At some point someone is going to build a multi-radio beamforming
    system which will actually result in the promise of mesh being
    fulfilled without actually using what I would call mesh.   With
    beamforming and distinct radios, one could conceptionally build a
    dynamic point to point backhaul system.

    On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Rory Conaway
    <[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]
<mailto:[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]>> wrote:

        So someone rediscovered mesh?  Umm, yea.  $7M down the tubes.

        Rory

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        Imtiaz
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        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M
        investment?

> They advertise 75 Mbps symmetrical service. What radio will
        do this?

        All kidding aside, and while I am not going to specifically
        comment on this particular story....

Having said that, you all should take a closer look at what Kent Urwiller has been doing with his WISP, using Mimosa Gear. (Micro
        Pops w/fat backhauls).

        His posts with a great amount of details can be found in the
        Mimosa Group and RF Elements group on Facebook.

        Here is a small snippet from one of his recent posts.. "...
Pretty dang amazing really. We are seeing around 130-150 Mbps on
        a 40 MHz channel to each client thanks to 2.3 and C5c. .."


        :)

        Faisal Imtiaz
        Snappy Internet & Telecom
        7266 SW 48 Street
        Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518[tel:305 663 5518] x 232 <tel:(305)%20663-5518>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518[tel:(305)663-5518] <tel:(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: [email protected][mailto:[email protected]]

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        investment?

> "We use FCC-approved antennas that transmit data using 5 GHz
        signals,
         > similar to the radios in your wifi router, cell phone, or
        iPad. These
         > small antennas are installed at your home by professional
        installers
> or through a simple self-setup process, then wired into your
        wifi router."
         >
> They advertise 75 Mbps symmetrical service. What radio will
        do this?
         >
         > Good way to turn $7M into nothing.
         >
         >
         > From: Gino A. Villarini
         > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 2:30 PM
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        investment?
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