Rouge access point suppression.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2017 8:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)
Just an update on this nonsense. Turns out, this site is the only one
who didnt sign the new cool beans lease, so im screwed in that regard.
This fool has 4 epmp up in 5.1, same channel, new essids indicate all
other sites are configured the same. And hes ripped right through thr
middle of me. But as he says, DFS will take care of it... fucking douche
On Jun 28, 2017 5:10 PM, "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com
<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
Depends if hes from out of town :)
On 06/28/2017 02:45 PM, Chris Wright wrote:
All jokes aside, you do NOT want to get into a pissing match with
another WISP. No one wins.
Chris Wright
Network Administrator
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 28, 2017 12:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)
ubnt in test mode
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
<fai...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
Let's follow the logic...
Property Owner wants more $, as such has chosen to ignore the
'exclusivity' right you may have listed in the contract.
You can exercise your right to complain....
You can exercise your right to take your marbles and go play
somewhere else.
Depending on who is paying more to the property owner, and who has
a better relationship, you or the other guy can complaint on each
other... but at the end of the day.. the property owner is going
to ask you to just get along !
So the short answer is ..... NO, there is realistic recourse to
what you have in mind..
You can always deploy Mimosa gear using 80mhz channels :)
:)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>
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*From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:10:52 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)
is there realistically any recourse?
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Mitch Koep <af...@abwisp.com
<mailto:af...@abwisp.com>> wrote:
And your question is?
On 6/27/2017 11:05 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I am not asking about any FCC Part X rules, I know this
isn't an FCC issue under any circumstances.
We have leases with all our POP landlords, in the lease we
own the site spectrum, with the exception of very few
locations we don't collocate, just not worth the hassle.
I come rolling up on a site today, 100 feet from our POP
is a new POP, not us, cause though I used to enjoy
spooning some powder with baking soda, I don't smoke
crack, POP#2 isn't ours, even though its on the same
property, Id recall a full EPMP and backhaul deployment.
I'm an honest operator, very honest, like the first time
UBT sent us new stickers for spectrum I made sure we
actually put them out (be honest, pretty much NOBODY did
that) I turn down power where we don't need it. I do my
best to make sure we are compliant. I fought bosses to
remove non compliant stuff I put up before I knew better.
For the most part, I'm a good fucking neighbor, ask
anybody abutting me. (with the exception of one location I
collocate where I'm a dick, but a legal dick)
So you can understand my dismay, being the pillar of the
spectrum community Ive tried to be (also found out today I
inadvertently fucked a fellow wisp on a bad choice I made
with no follow up, I owned it with him and will be working
on fixing that as of tomorrow)
I approach everything with combat boots, assuming a
battle. I'm guessing when it gets in the database this
backhaul is going to be UBNT 11ghz, or some other nonsense
(probably affiliated with the over wind loaded tower 3/4
miles away with 3, yes 3, UBNT 5ghz peanut shaped
airfibers within 8 feet of one another (one link, one side
points to the sky the other side points to the dirt)
The question I have is about lease rules, and contract
law, which the bulk of you old timers has dealt with. If
the other operator (if its who I suspect it is, they use
fuckery, like the UBNT demo mode, or whatever its called
and other such garbage to even operate overpowered in DFS
channels) doesn't want to play ball, as in "shut that shit
off" will we be able to fight it?
I know what went down, and how it went down, and I suspect
I know who it is. The usual, guy approaches a site owner,
offers unrealistic unicorn farts, unicorn farts always
win, spectrum gets fucked.
We do 5 year auto renewing leases, with 2 year breakouts.
(you guys would likely cream your jeans seeing our lease,
and though Ive asked, no I cant share it publicly, and
yes, it was drawn up by an attorney) we get full control
of the 5, 6, 11, 3, 2, 900mhz, etc spectrum (I don't have
a lease handy to see the specific wording) per the site.
I know we wouldn't have a horse in the race with the FCC,
but with this boiling down to contract law, whats to stop
us from A. willful interference (assuming out power
doesn't get cut) and B. a cease and desist from a court
for the other ISP, pending the 2 year termination?
I'm handing this to the boss to handle, because my
communication will start with "listen here motherfucker"
and I don't see that as conducive to a positive outcome. I
had my boy with me when I came to the site today because I
was just getting accurate AGLs for bringing in a licensed
backhaul. If he hadn't been with me, I probably would have
yanked their ghetto enclosure off the wall and shot their
antennas.
Ill tell you what, I'm about to start acting like a lot of
these yahoos and saying fuck the FCC, fuck good
stewardship of the spectrum, and fuck general good manners.
TBH I'm not sure if I'm asking advice here or just
venting. probably both. but FYI, I'm so pissed off right
now, if you have an ex old lady who needs disappeared, I'm
your freaking guy
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