Well, if that's what they want to do... all I can say is, good luck with that! I realize AT&T the only option in a lot of areas, but anywhere that they have any real competition (whether that be cable, local fiber providers or even WISPs), I can't see how that wouldn't cost them a lot of business.
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net> wrote: > Of course they want to slow “rivals content” they own DirectTV J lol. No > more dish, cbs all access or Netflix on ATT circuits J > > > > > > *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant * > > MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant > <http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=5> – > MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE > > > > For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net > > Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com > > Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270> > > E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Friday, September 29, 2017 7:37 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > > > Oh look... > > > > AT&T Inc. and other broadband providers asked the U.S. Supreme Court to > overturn the Obama-era "net neutrality" rule barring internet service > providers from slowing or blocking rivals’ content. > > The appeals, filed Thursday, will put new pressure on a rule enacted in > 2015 when the Federal Communications Commission was under Democratic > control. Filing a separate appeal from AT&T were the United States Telecom > Association, a trade group, and broadband service provider CenturyLink Inc. > > --- > > Ignoring the bias in the reporting (Bloomberg), it's interesting that the > challenge is coming from Telecom. I wonder how much pressure they actually > feel from regional fiber companies and WISPs since they(telco) no longer > have as much of a protected status as they used to. Landline has largely > gone the way of the dino, the ROW was opened, discussions of rural > broadband experiments and funds for non-telco have been brought up, and the > FCC has increasingly had contact from WISPA. > > > > On Sep 28, 2017 9:43 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Which is a point I've already made. > > If you can get access without any particular designation, but by just > asking, great. > If above fails, get your CLEC and do it again, only now they have to let > you in unless there's a documented reason why not (not enough room, etc.). > Don't depend on BIAS which is rather volatile. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:22:48 PM > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > If they don’t know BIAS is not really in play then once you get the permit > you are golden. > > Cell phone providers are not CLECs and they get in all the same ROWs as > the CLECS and ILECS. > > > > I have never ever had a permitting agency ask me how I had the right to > ask for access. > > > > Moreover, crossing federal public lands, they cannot even charge you > rent. That is by act of congress. And that applies to every person on > this list. > > > > They just want drawings and money. > > > > *From:* Mike Hammett > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:16 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > > > Which is a point I've already made. > > If you can get access without any particular designation, but by just > asking, great. > If above fails, get your CLEC and do it again, only now they have to let > you in unless there's a documented reason why not (not enough room, etc.). > Don't depend on BIAS which is rather volatile. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:57:41 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > No, I don’t have a CLEC for the non reg stuff. > > > > You always have to get permission from the property owner, it may be a > public street but the city still has to grant an excavation or together > permit. > > > > Many times there is a public utility easement around private property that > you can occupy. > > > > The FCC made all BIAS providers public utilities in spirit. While that > particular document may no longer be in effect, you can still point to the > language and use it. If you get the permit you are golden. None of this > requires a CLEC. > > > > *From:* Mike Hammett > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:04 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > > > But if you have a CLEC you *CAN* place it there. If I don't have a CLEC I > *MAY* place it there... if whomever owns that easement or property allows > me to. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:03:01 AM > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > If you do not have an easement, you do not have the right to keep your > cable there. Most easements I get are free. > > > > *From:* Mike Hammett > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:02 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > > > Sure, easements are insurance, but not always cheap. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:54:56 AM > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > CLEC is no insurance. > > ROW-Easement is insurance. > > > > > > > > *From:* Mike Hammett > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:50 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > > > A couple thousand dollars for an attorney to make you a CLEC is pretty > cheap insurance when doling out fiber. > > The major impediment to more providers and more expansion of existing > providers is that the bits moved typically aren't significantly different. > As long as most things generally work, people aren't going to leave. If > Netflix buffers constantly, your marketing becomes a lot easier, "Our > Netflix actually works." > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > > *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:46:43 AM > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > We did at our fiber company. > > > > I don't remember the exact percentage, but I do remember it being above > 60% of people only have access to a single provider. > > > > If you remove the ROW access for BIAS providers, lower "broadband" to 10M, > and allow providers to throttle other content, the odds are so > overwhelmingly stacked against new regional ISPs, existing providers who > just haven't expanded yet, and the general population of this country... > And solely provides more welfare to expand the existing cable and Telco > monopolies. > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > You're wrong. :-p > > Did anyone actually utilize that ROW access under NN and not something > else like being a CLEC? Spend a couple thousand bucks and you're a CLEC, if > you need to be in your jurisdiction for ROW access. Around here you can > just apply and get the ROW access you desire. > > They weren't directly throttled, but yes, ran through congested peering > and transit. So what if they do? Business choice. That gives you or me the > opportunity to come through with Netflix that doesn't suck and steal the > customer. > > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > > *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:33:20 AM > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > If I'm wrong, say so, but NN seems to be the only thing keep providers > from throttling down third party eyeball content to prioritize their own. > > > > Also, that ROW access many of us enjoyed as BIAS providers was tied to > that as well. > > > > My memory is fuzzy though. > > > > On Sep 28, 2017 7:23 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > The only way forward is to repeal Net Neutrality. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:30:44 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not. > > > > Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked. > > > > On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc- > net-neutrality-isp > > > > > > I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the FCCs job > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
