Oh look... AT&T Inc. and other broadband providers asked the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn the Obama-era "net neutrality" rule barring internet service providers from slowing or blocking rivals’ content.
The appeals, filed Thursday, will put new pressure on a rule enacted in 2015 when the Federal Communications Commission was under Democratic control. Filing a separate appeal from AT&T were the United States Telecom Association, a trade group, and broadband service provider CenturyLink Inc. --- Ignoring the bias in the reporting (Bloomberg), it's interesting that the challenge is coming from Telecom. I wonder how much pressure they actually feel from regional fiber companies and WISPs since they(telco) no longer have as much of a protected status as they used to. Landline has largely gone the way of the dino, the ROW was opened, discussions of rural broadband experiments and funds for non-telco have been brought up, and the FCC has increasingly had contact from WISPA. On Sep 28, 2017 9:43 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: Which is a point I've already made. If you can get access without any particular designation, but by just asking, great. If above fails, get your CLEC and do it again, only now they have to let you in unless there's a documented reason why not (not enough room, etc.). Don't depend on BIAS which is rather volatile. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ------------------------------ *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:22:48 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? If they don’t know BIAS is not really in play then once you get the permit you are golden. Cell phone providers are not CLECs and they get in all the same ROWs as the CLECS and ILECS. I have never ever had a permitting agency ask me how I had the right to ask for access. Moreover, crossing federal public lands, they cannot even charge you rent. That is by act of congress. And that applies to every person on this list. They just want drawings and money. *From:* Mike Hammett *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:16 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? Which is a point I've already made. If you can get access without any particular designation, but by just asking, great. If above fails, get your CLEC and do it again, only now they have to let you in unless there's a documented reason why not (not enough room, etc.). Don't depend on BIAS which is rather volatile. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ------------------------------ *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:57:41 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? No, I don’t have a CLEC for the non reg stuff. You always have to get permission from the property owner, it may be a public street but the city still has to grant an excavation or together permit. Many times there is a public utility easement around private property that you can occupy. The FCC made all BIAS providers public utilities in spirit. While that particular document may no longer be in effect, you can still point to the language and use it. If you get the permit you are golden. None of this requires a CLEC. *From:* Mike Hammett *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:04 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? But if you have a CLEC you *CAN* place it there. If I don't have a CLEC I *MAY* place it there... if whomever owns that easement or property allows me to. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ------------------------------ *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:03:01 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? If you do not have an easement, you do not have the right to keep your cable there. Most easements I get are free. *From:* Mike Hammett *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:02 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? Sure, easements are insurance, but not always cheap. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ------------------------------ *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:54:56 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? CLEC is no insurance. ROW-Easement is insurance. *From:* Mike Hammett *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:50 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? A couple thousand dollars for an attorney to make you a CLEC is pretty cheap insurance when doling out fiber. The major impediment to more providers and more expansion of existing providers is that the bits moved typically aren't significantly different. As long as most things generally work, people aren't going to leave. If Netflix buffers constantly, your marketing becomes a lot easier, "Our Netflix actually works." ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ------------------------------ *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:46:43 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? We did at our fiber company. I don't remember the exact percentage, but I do remember it being above 60% of people only have access to a single provider. If you remove the ROW access for BIAS providers, lower "broadband" to 10M, and allow providers to throttle other content, the odds are so overwhelmingly stacked against new regional ISPs, existing providers who just haven't expanded yet, and the general population of this country... And solely provides more welfare to expand the existing cable and Telco monopolies. On Sep 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: You're wrong. :-p Did anyone actually utilize that ROW access under NN and not something else like being a CLEC? Spend a couple thousand bucks and you're a CLEC, if you need to be in your jurisdiction for ROW access. Around here you can just apply and get the ROW access you desire. They weren't directly throttled, but yes, ran through congested peering and transit. So what if they do? Business choice. That gives you or me the opportunity to come through with Netflix that doesn't suck and steal the customer. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ------------------------------ *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:33:20 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? If I'm wrong, say so, but NN seems to be the only thing keep providers from throttling down third party eyeball content to prioritize their own. Also, that ROW access many of us enjoyed as BIAS providers was tied to that as well. My memory is fuzzy though. On Sep 28, 2017 7:23 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > The only way forward is to repeal Net Neutrality. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:30:44 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? > > There's some points that are obviously wrong, and some that are not. > > Also, as consumers, if net neutrality is repealed we are fucked. > > On Sep 27, 2017 8:27 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc- >> net-neutrality-isp >> >> >> I pretty much had to quit reading when this idiot sated what the FCCs job >> is >> > >
