Interesting, so you have splitters that divide light unevenly? Or am I misunderstanding you?
On another note, I wonder if anyone has compared the ZTE GPON stuff with Ubiquiti's offering... On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: > We splice in a uneven ratio 1x2 feeding a 1xN PLC to fees drops at that > splice point. So it might look like a 10/90 with the 10% into the 1x4 and > 90% continuing down the road on the same strand. Troubleshooting can be > tricky, we test light as we splice to verify everything. The benefit is I > can pass 2 miles of road, 30-40 houses using one strand on a 12ct mainline > and still have 11 unused strands at the end to keep going. > > On Feb 13, 2018 4:01 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote: > > Tapped trunk, meaning you use 1x2 splitters at each drop? I've been > considering doing this, but troubleshooting, should any problem(s) arise, > seems like a nightmare. > > > On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: > >> With some very appreciated help from Gerard myself and another Michigan >> ISP have deployed this ZTE equipment and Gerards description is accurate. >> The only issue we have found is some Wi-Fi bugs in the F660 ONU we went >> with, if you require a customer owned router or provide a different router >> that solves the problem. >> >> Our long term plan for that is to switch to a SmartRG GPON res gateway >> when they are available in a couple months. All in one unit with 4x4 AC >> wifi and voip. >> >> We also deployed a tapped trunk splitting layout which has saved us a lot >> of money on strand count in our low density rural areas. >> >> >> >> On Feb 12, 2018 5:58 PM, "Gerard Dupont" <ger...@shelbybb.com> wrote: >> >>> Chuck, >>> >>> Yeah, We have 6 OLT's and a few hundred ONU's online. I know of >>> several other operators using the same setup now too. >>> >>> It's stable and just works. The OLT hardware feels solid and quality >>> made unlike some of the other 1U OLT's we've tried. >>> >>> You can even get an outdoor cabinet made for them for about $1500 >>> shipped. I can't find the ZTE link right now, but it is very similar to >>> this Huawei version. https://www.alibaba.com/produc >>> t-detail/Original-Huawei-MA5608T-ZTE-C320-Outdoors_604425626 >>> 81.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.1.2d7a50d9frcsQx >>> >>> Gerard >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> >>>> That is some scary Bernie Madoff type of pricing. >>>> >>>> You are using this now? >>>> >>>> *From:* Gerard Dupont >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 2:28 PM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> Here's some pricing based on Chinese ZTE with no real support. >>>> >>>> ZTE F601 Indoor ONU 1 GE port. $24 http://sweetplaza.com/zte-gpon >>>> -terminal-ont-zxa10-f601-or-zxhn-f601-ftth-or-ftto-gpon-onu- >>>> with-one-ethernet-port-smaller-size_p1013.html >>>> ZTE F623 Indoor ONU 1GE 3FE 1POTS $29 http://sweetplaza.com/sc-apc-o >>>> riginal-zte-zxhn-f623-gpon-onu-1ge-3fe-lan-ports-1voice-port >>>> -wifienglish-interface_p1206.html >>>> Chinese Splice on connector $0.80 http://sweetplaza.com/c/connec >>>> tor_0391 >>>> 30M Armored simplex pigtail $9.66 from FS >>>> https://www.fs.com/products/20745.html >>>> 20M $7.66 >>>> 10M $5.66 >>>> Wall Mount MultiLink/Tii Outdoor NID - $15 (I don't have link) >>>> >>>> ZTE C320 OLT 16 ports of gpon with class c+ optics. $2200 >>>> $2200/16/32=$4.30/per customer at 100% utilization.. >>>> Add another 16 ports with optics for only $590. that's 32*32=1024 >>>> customers potentially. $2.75/per customer at 100% util. >>>> >>>> 32 port rackmount splitter. $84 https://www.fs.com/products/11948.html >>>> 32 port bare splitter for splice case $14 >>>> https://www.fs.com/products/11528.html >>>> 8 port bare splitter for splice case $5 >>>> >>>> None of that includes shipping or import duties/fees. So figure in a >>>> few hundred $$$ for shipping/import fees. >>>> >>>> Even if you only put 8 people per OLT port that's $2800/32/8=$11 per >>>> customer. + $1 per port on a 1x8 PLC + $15 for NID + $29 for ONT with POTS >>>> + $10 for 30M pigtail. = ~$65/customer all in for gpon with 8 customers per >>>> port. >>>> >>>> You can use www.SmartOLT.com for web based OLT/ONU >>>> management/monitoring (tell Adrian I sent you for a discount) >>>> >>>> I prefer using GPON for the management capabilities. You can always >>>> overlay 10GPON on top of your regular GPON network when the time comes to >>>> upgrade. Just add/change the card in the OLT and add a 2x1 splitter to >>>> combine both OLT ports into the single fiber. Since they use different >>>> wavelengths they will coexist over the same fiber. Just install new ONT's. >>>> >>>> Gerard >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> ONT Housing (Clam Shell) $ 29.00 >>>>> ONT $ 215.00 >>>>> Unicam $ 15.00 >>>>> Cyber Power $ 81.00 >>>>> Cyber Install $ 110.00 >>>>> House Sub Total * $ 450.00 * >>>>> >>>>> OLT $11K/8/32 $ 42.97 >>>>> OIM $845/32 $ 38.27 >>>>> Splitter $900/32 $ 39.43 >>>>> DLC per Sub Subtotal * $ 120.67 * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Electronics/Sub Total Expense * $ 570.67 * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 12:29 PM >>>>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>> >>>>> Chuck, >>>>> >>>>> Dug up some of my costs on the GPON. One port with a C+ class laser >>>>> and a 1x32 splitter cost me about $1000. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So if I stick with my 50% utilization numbers, that gets me about $62 >>>>> per user. Plus an indoor ONT gets me about $200-$225 per customer for >>>>> electronics. As I increase my utilization, the numbers get better. But, >>>>> we are only talking a different in a few months on the ROI. Remember we >>>>> are debating fiber. I have ONT's out there over 72 months old. I'm sure >>>>> Chuck has some at least 2 or 3 years older than that. I don't plan on any >>>>> type of major upgrade for several years. >>>>> >>>>> But I must stress there is no right answer. AE vs GPON. You need to >>>>> make sure you fully understand both options before making a decision. Not >>>>> to mention, you can run both. We are setup to do AE, We currently have 2 >>>>> customers on the AE side for various reasons vs 2500 on the GPON side. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *-- Best regards,Mark * >>>>> mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *------Monday, February 12, 2018, 1:13:18 PM, you wrote:* >>>>> >>>>> When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe >>>>> electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc. Everything but fiber and outdoor >>>>> cabinets. >>>>> >>>>> When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per >>>>> customer. >>>>> For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing >>>>> myself to do PON. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM >>>>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>> >>>>> Chuck, >>>>> >>>>> PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *-- Best regards,Mark *mailto: >>>>> m...@mailmt.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *------Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote:* >>>>> >>>>> Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes? >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM >>>>> *To:* Adam Moffett >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>> >>>>> Adam, >>>>> >>>>> There are some ranging things you have to consider. "The requirement >>>>> when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot >>>>> exceed 20Km." >>>>> >>>>> The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long >>>>> stretches of roads between neighborhoods. >>>>> >>>>> We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will splice that into >>>>> the last 3 ribbons/tubes of our fiber. Example, if we were using a 144 >>>>> count cable, ribbons 10-12 will be spliced into. After a few miles >>>>> depending on density or distance, we will splice in another 1x32 splitter >>>>> to ribbons 10-12. We just keep doing this until we run out of light >>>>> budget. >>>>> >>>>> We build to the lots passed, so we are not trying to optimize max >>>>> usage per port. Currently, we average about 50% utilization on our ports. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *-- Best regards,Mark *mailto: >>>>> m...@mailmt.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *------Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote:* >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I need to review the math. >>>>> >>>>> I was figuring on several small splitters along the route. I didn't >>>>> compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought every >>>>> fiber >>>>> back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus ethernet. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" <m...@mailmt.com> >>>>> To: "Adam Moffett" <af@afmug.com> >>>>> Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Adam, >>>>> >>>>> How far are you going? We are pushing almost 20 miles on a 1x32 >>>>> split. Are you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *-- Best regards,Mark *mailto: >>>>> m...@mailmt.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *------Sunday, February 11, 2018, 10:24:30 PM, you wrote:* >>>>> >>>>> I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per mile). As I'm >>>>> looking at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that if I run >>>>> the line down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split 5-6 times >>>>> and then I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road. At 5 or >>>>> so >>>>> houses per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch. >>>>> >>>>> Your stated reasons for PON are all correct. The numbers just aren't >>>>> seeming to work out for me. >>>>> >>>>> I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I can still switch to >>>>> PON some day if I want to. >>>>> >>>>> We would never max out the PON port, but looking back on the past 15 >>>>> years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever say "never". In >>>>> AE >>>>> I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to. I'll "never" have to do >>>>> that >>>>> as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited. >>>>> >>>>> -Adam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A few reasons... >>>>> >>>>> Port cost is still fairly high. >>>>> >>>>> More splicing. >>>>> >>>>> More fiber required. >>>>> >>>>> Larger chassis required. >>>>> >>>>> More power required. >>>>> >>>>> More battery backup required. >>>>> >>>>> Consumers not even close to using up 1-2 generations back of PON >>>>> capacity in most places. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So, why do PON and not active in these super cheap optics days? >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Chuck Hogg >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM >>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>> >>>>> We are walking away from them and Alphion...I think Mark's product >>>>> with Zhone is different. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from DASAN... or maybe it was >>>>> DASAN that rescued them from the one they walked far away form. I don't >>>>> remember which. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM >>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>> >>>>> In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be >>>>> anywhere near within budget, does anyone else have any other suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> I found these guys, but have never heard of them: >>>>> http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116 >>>>> >>>>> It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them: >>>>> http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf >>>>> >>>>> -Jason >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >
