What are you using for handholes? Full traffic rated handholes are a large
expense.
I am working on a lower cost idea, but if something equivalent to my idea
already exists I would rather just buy them.
From: Chris Fabien
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
Regarding the distance, our ZTE will support up to 60 km, but max difference of
20km between ONU on one PON. There's just a range parameter that needs to be
set.
We ordered C+ optics and see a real optical budget of 33dB. The OLT is about
+5.5 tx and -34 min rx sensitivity. The ONU about + 0.5 tx and -28 rx sens.
I've been very impressed with the optical performance.
We did test the ubnt as well. Went with ZTE
On Feb 12, 2018 1:23 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
That's also a compelling point.
It's not a simple question for sure.
The other reason I would think about GPON is that if a larger company wanted
to purchase our network down the road I have to think about what THEY will
prefer. They'll probably prefer PON.
Humans are horrible at assessing their own biases, but I probably have a bias
towards ethernet because it's familiar. I try to bear that in mind too.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/12/2018 1:13:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe
electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc. Everything but fiber and outdoor
cabinets.
When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per customer.
For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing myself to
do PON.
From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM
To: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
Chuck,
PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing.
--
Best regards,
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com
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Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote:
Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes?
From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM
To: Adam Moffett
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
Adam,
There are some ranging things you have to consider. "The requirement
when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot
exceed 20Km."
The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long
stretches of roads between neighborhoods.
We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will splice that into
the last 3 ribbons/tubes of our fiber. Example, if we were using a 144 count
cable, ribbons 10-12 will be spliced into. After a few miles depending on
density or distance, we will splice in another 1x32 splitter to ribbons 10-12.
We just keep doing this until we run out of light budget.
We build to the lots passed, so we are not trying to optimize max
usage per port. Currently, we average about 50% utilization on our ports.
--
Best regards,
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com
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Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote:
Maybe I need to review the math.
I was figuring on several small splitters along the route. I
didn't compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought every
fiber back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus ethernet.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" <m...@mailmt.com>
To: "Adam Moffett" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
Adam,
How far are you going? We are pushing almost 20 miles on
a 1x32 split. Are you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters?
--
Best regards,
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com
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Sunday, February 11, 2018, 10:24:30 PM, you wrote:
I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per
mile). As I'm looking at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that
if I run the line down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split 5-6
times and then I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road. At 5 or
so houses per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch.
Your stated reasons for PON are all correct. The
numbers just aren't seeming to work out for me.
I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I
can still switch to PON some day if I want to.
We would never max out the PON port, but looking
back on the past 15 years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever
say "never". In AE I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to. I'll "never"
have to do that as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited.
-Adam
------ Original Message ------
From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
A few reasons...
Port cost is still fairly high.
More splicing.
More fiber required.
Larger chassis required.
More power required.
More battery backup required.
Consumers not even close to using up 1-2
generations back of PON capacity in most places.
On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown
<ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
So, why do PON and not active in these super
cheap optics days?
From: Chuck Hogg
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
We are walking away from them and Alphion...I
think Mark's product with Zhone is different.
Regards,
Chuck
On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from
DASAN... or maybe it was DASAN that rescued them from the one they walked far
away form. I don't remember which. ;-)
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Jason McKemie"
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
In light of finding out that Calix's offering
is not going to be anywhere near within budget, does anyone else have any other
suggestions?
I found these guys, but have never heard of
them:
http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116
It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've
at least heard of them:
http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf
-Jason
