Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

Fri, 23 Feb 2018 18:04:49 -0800

Honestly I have to admit that it was quite clever on Dish Network's part. They made sure everyone actually wanted the second price tier because there's one critical channel for everybody that isn't in the bottom tier.
....Or maybe it's not intentional but rather a side effect of licensing or some such, but I'm equally willing to assume it's a result of evil genius. 

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and there's no way they'll sell it that way for the foreseeable future.



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From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:55:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV


Yup.  I remember that from when I had to sell Dish Network.  No two 
people agree on what the right set of channels are, but they all agree 
that the channels they want should be in the cheaper package.



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Sent: 2/23/2018 8:40:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV


"a set of the channels folks want to watch" That's going to be even 
harder than a full line-up OTT.




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From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:08:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV


It’s why I’ve held off for as long as I have.  None of the options 
were right. They either required expensive private lines, or the costs 
were so high I ended up making no profit and I felt like it was too 
expensive to try to sell to the end user. Or the quality of the feed 
was junk.



Just give me a set of the channels folks want to watch for 
$30-$40/month and I can sell it.



I can’t sell a service where I need a $1,500/month private line. Or 
where the monthly rate ends up being $60 when I mark it up.



Or where the provider takes their entire head end down for a day while 
they move it.



On Feb 23, 2018, at 19:01, Clint Wiley <cl...@hagerstownfiber.com> 
wrote:



That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t 
want to choose the wrong technology/solution.


Thanks,
_________________________
Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet


On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:


The statement of the week...



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From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

Maybe. Time will tell.

On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:


I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly 
the same lineup.




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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV


Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it 
via the

public internet, why not RCTV?


Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies 
like this.


-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Wiley
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV


I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but 
it adds

an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover.

Thanks,
_________________________

Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet


> On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
wrote:

>

> That is not by choice.  The content providers all have a 
different
> tolerance as to how their product is piped around.  RealChoice 
could drop
> it and probably ship the product over the public internet and 
never get
> caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get 
caught.

>

> Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them 
I was
> trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN 
over VPN
> (silly, right)  over the public internet.  Some of them were OK 
with it.

>
> -----Original Message----- From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>

> RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their 
private line

> requirement.
>

>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley 
<cl...@hagerstownfiber.com> wrote:

>>
>> Hi,
>>

>> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your 
customers. If so,
>> are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the 
wholesale
>> provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, 
experiences, etc. on

>> either provider?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> _________________________
>> Clint Wiley
>> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
































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