Mohammadreza said, "I think "intelligence" means optimization. So, if it is true, how can we tell an AGI agent to act optimally? e.g. with IF-THEN rules? definitely Not! These rules may lead to unforeseen states."
If-Then rules are not the only application of discrete reasoning that are possible. In fact, when you talk about "optimization" you are talking about using mathematics to describe a discrete 'kind of thing'. Mathematical formula can lead to unforeseen states when they are applied to computational issues. Turing's Halting Problem is an example (- I am assuming that 'undefined' has a strong relation to 'unforeseen' as you used it.) You need to apply the mathematics to a 'kind of situation' and the idea that your mathematical formula might not lead to 'unforeseen states' when it is actually being used is naïve. Multiplication of an integer product has an uneven compressibility rate. OK, maybe I am talking about division. Division not only has a uneven compressibility rate it has an uneven deterministic rate. This has nothing to do with your paper.. So now the choice you have is: Do you take the time to understand what I am talking about? Do you take the time to understand how this might apply to your interest in AI / AGI? These are not trivial problems for you solve. How do you come to a conclusion about whether you should take the time to try to understand my criticism (and how it might be relevant to you) if I cannot make it easy for you to understand in a few minutes of reading? The conference is just about to start. Is it really worth your time to think about what I am trying to say? Right now it is not worth your time to respond. In a few years it will probably be very relevant to what you would like to do. Jim Bromer On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 10:09 PM Mohammadreza Alidoust < class.alido...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you. Sure, visualizations help in better understanding. However I do > not believe that the model contains difficult mathematics. BSc Students of > control engineering in their third or fourth year, study state-space > representation in their Modern Control Engineering course. > > Anyway, I think AGI is NOT POSSIBLE without mathematics. > I think "intelligence" means optimization. So, if it is true, how can we > tell an AGI agent to act optimally? e.g. with IF-THEN rules? definitely > Not! These rules may lead to unforeseen states. > All of the AI algorithms have a mathematical formulation behind. Can > anyone name an AI algorithm which has no mathematical background? > > I think if the hypothesis "intelligence is optimization" is true, we have > to, first devise an optimization framework for our problem space. That > optimization framework enables our agent to act intelligent in that space. > AGI is, in my view, an infinite problem-space. So, the question is: What > is able to cover the infinite better than the mathematics? > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 4:31 PM Manuel Korfmann <m...@korfmann.info> > wrote: > >> I guess he meant: It’s difficult to understand all these mathematical >> equations. Visualizations are better at transporting ideas in a way that >> almost everyone can understand easily. >> >> On 31. Jul 2019, at 13:46, Mohammadreza Alidoust < >> class.alido...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Thank you for reading my paper. I wish you success too. >> >> Could you please explain more about the readership? I am afraid I did not >> get the point. >> >> Best regards, >> Mohammadreza Alidoust >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 2:14 PM Stefan Reich via AGI <agi@agi.topicbox.com> >> wrote: >> >>> If someone paid me to go, I'd go... :-) >>> >>> > http://agi-conf.org/2019/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/paper_21.pdf >>> >>> I like the stages you define in your paper (infancy, decision making, >>> expert). Sounds reasonable. >>> >>> I pretty much erased mathematical formulas from my brain though, even >>> though I have studied those things. These days I prefer to think in natural >>> language or code. Increases the readership exponentially too. :-) >>> >>> Many greetings and best wishes to you >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 at 02:13, Mohammadreza Alidoust < >>> class.alido...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Stefan Reich, >>>> >>>> Thank you. I do not know whether submitting my paper before official >>>> publication by Springer is against their copyrights or not. I am not sure >>>> about their rules. I will ask the authorities when I arrived Shenzhen and >>>> inform you. >>>> >>>> However I recommend not to miss the AGI-19. >>>> http://agi-conf.org/2019/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Mohammadreza Alidoust >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Stefan Reich >>> BotCompany.de // Java-based operating systems >>> >> >> *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery > options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tf27122c71ce3b240-M4f19beaf10016c63e79caa53> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tf27122c71ce3b240-M63398ca068fd849c87e36b04 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
