On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 4:11 PM James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 2:47 PM Matt Mahoney <mattmahone...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> ...I mean observer dependent information... > > > Such intersubjectivity recursively bottoms out in the lone subject who > receives "data" through a provenance chain involving other "observers" some > of whom are "which": measurement instruments. > > This is why I'm so insistent that the AIT folks get on with formalizing > forensic epistemology -- including, ultimately -- game theory. This can > start with something as simple as an agent self-diagnosing a faulty > measurement instrument that delivers observations -- knowledge in the sense > you mean. > > Until this happens, I'm afraid all of the efforts at "ethics" in AGI are ill > founded.
Ethics is a product of group evolution. Like, most animals don't eat their own species. It is not something that AIT can resolve. In any case, I was not trying to model ethics. I was estimating the cost of transferring 10^17 bits of human knowledge into AGI. 1. Modeling the physics of the universe. Requires 10^120 qubit operations. 2. Modeling evolution. Requires 10^50 transcription operations on 10^37 bits of DNA. 3. Scanning 10^10 human brains at 5 nm resolution, producing 10^32 bits of voxel data. 4. Transmitting 10^19 characters of speech and writing at 10 characters per second per person at 0.01 bits per character. Option 4 will cost about $1 quadrillion. Option 3 would be preferable if the cost of a brain scan could be reduced to under $100K. Option 2 required 4 billion years on a planet sized molecular computer consuming 90,000 TW, but I think with nanotechnology this could be reduced by a factor of 100, close to the Landauer limit. Option 1 is impossible by Wolpert's law. -- -- Matt Mahoney, mattmahone...@gmail.com ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T11c1e7172d92d3cd-Mae542e19662c1ca9e77bc2ea Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
