Oh please, PM. This is still dishonest. Ben tried this "read x.." ploy several times - never was anything there.
Put up your example of algorithmic creativity for the enlightenment of all here. You can't. Neither can anyone else. Don';t lecture about "reasoning ability" until you're capable of reasoning from empirical examples. On 2 December 2013 19:13, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]> wrote: > As a philosopher, I would think that you would like to read. > I hope you're not being lazy. > > Here's a starting point.... > > http://publications.csail.mit.edu/lcs/pubs/pdf/MIT-LCS-TR-563.pdf > > > As I said, once you have context, I will be happy to discuss this with > you. > Gain some context and let's discuss. This is the internet, it's not that > hard. > > Cheers, > > ~PM > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:23:29 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [agi] I guess I don't have AGI all figured out. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > PM;We can't spoon feed each other endlessly. ..... > > That is the most cowardly and dishonest statement. It is typical. I am > sick of this kind of dishonesty. Put up or shut up. > > > On 2 December 2013 18:17, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]>wrote: > > We can't spoon feed each other endlessly. Do a little research. Read the > book. > Let's discuss when you've obtained Drescher's thesis (probably online) or > read his book. > > Always happy to discuss... > > Cheers, > > ~PM. > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:06:54 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [agi] I guess I don't have AGI all figured out. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > PM The Schema System synthesized new identifiers to represent novel > situations > > Synthesized what new from what? A proper specific example please.Not a > sleight-of-hand handwave. > > I guarantee you're talking nonsense. Prove me wrong. You should be > delighted to discuss - this is the most important thing in AGI - far more > important than any of the narrow AI techniques you often discuss in detail. > > > > > On 2 December 2013 17:59, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]>wrote: > > Gary Drescher's thesis qua book "Made Up Minds". > > The Schema System synthesized new identifiers to represent novel > situations. > > True Creativity. True Construction. > > Mike Tintner, this is the meme that you need to surpress: "*a creative > algorithm is a physical impossibility*". > > It is interfering with your reasoning ability, and creating a blind spot > for you. > > ~PM > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 15:41:44 +0000 > Subject: Re: [agi] I guess I don't have AGI all figured out. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > "Theoretically, contrary to Tintner's argument, it would be feasible to > use CBR to discover and represent truly novel situations. However, this > theoretical argument is not easy" > > One example of this creativity. From anywhere or anyone.. Actual or > theoretical. > > I repeat : a creative algorithm is a physical impossibility like perpetual > motion, the Immaculate Conception, transubstantiation of wine into the > blood of Christ and other such religious fictions of creativity. And a > bleeding obvious impossibility if you could just once turn your attention > from the "architecture" of algorithms to the finished buildings they > produce.. Then you'd see algorithms can't produce new building blocks.Only > the same old Lego buildings. > > If no one can give even a theoretical example - not the slightest proof of > concept - you are engaging in a Giant Wank. > > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
