You can't avoid entropy in AGI, for example Shannon entropy especially with computational complexity issues and theoretics when running systems that communicate on networks.
Also thermodynamic entropy when running computers performing intelligent computation within this physical universe. Why shouldn't we use the scientific intelligence that's been gained over time from studying the various entropies? Intelligent operations are fundamentally thermodynamic, no? And they have some fundamental isomorphic equivalence into information theory both virtually and physically? John > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Bromer via AGI [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:13 AM > To: AGI > Subject: [agi] Entropy is not a measure of insight > > Ideas like entropy and thermodynamic principles have little relevance as > fundamental principles for contemporary AI / AGI. The relevance to these > ideas are artifacts of Shannon's thinking. They are not central to the ideas > that might be abstracted and utilized effectively for creating artificial > intelligence. > > One mind may make sense of external data that would look like entropic > dissipation (or noise) to another. Entropy is therefore both relative and > subjective. So, for example, if you were able to measure the 'entropy' of a > system of related events in an AGI program and wanted to use this measure > to determine causality, you would end up measuring the ability of the system > to organize previously learned knowledge around the events. Relative > subjective 'entropy' could be reduced by any organizing methods regardless > of the usefulness of those organizing methods. Therefore, the thought that > this method can serve as a fundamental principle of mind is misdirected. You > can seize on any principle of subjective state of mind and try to claim that > it is > somehow fundamental to mind but it has never taken anyone where we > want to go. > > You might abstract principles from other theories and say that they are > relevant to some situation or some method of analysis, but to try to use > them as the basis as a fundamental principle of mind is really out there. The > fundamental principles of AGI have to be fundamental to thought. > > I have applied the method of my criticism to my own thinking and I have > examined this criticism from different points of view and I still think this > is a > substantial critical view point. > > Jim Bromer > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/248029- > 82d9122f > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > -35e0de32 > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
