" Entropy can be considered as a measure of uncertainty involved in a set, whether fuzzy or intuitionistic fuzzy or vague etc."
http://vixra.org/pdf/1309.0128v1.pdf > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Goertzel via AGI [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 11:42 AM > To: AGI > Subject: Re: [agi] Entropy is not a measure of insight > > Entropy (in math rather than thermodynamics) is just a way of looking at > probability distributions ... sometimes a very convenient way ... > if probability is relevant to AGI (which I think it is) then entropy is > relevant.... > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jim Bromer via AGI <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Ideas like entropy and thermodynamic principles have little relevance > > as fundamental principles for contemporary AI / AGI. The relevance to > > these ideas are artifacts of Shannon's thinking. They are not central > > to the ideas that might be abstracted and utilized effectively for > > creating artificial intelligence. > > > > One mind may make sense of external data that would look like entropic > > dissipation (or noise) to another. Entropy is therefore both relative > > and subjective. So, for example, if you were able to measure the > > 'entropy' of a system of related events in an AGI program and wanted > > to use this measure to determine causality, you would end up measuring > > the ability of the system to organize previously learned knowledge > > around the events. Relative subjective 'entropy' could be reduced by > > any organizing methods regardless of the usefulness of those > > organizing methods. Therefore, the thought that this method can serve > > as a fundamental principle of mind is misdirected. You can seize on > > any principle of subjective state of mind and try to claim that it is > > somehow fundamental to mind but it has never taken anyone where we > > want to go. > > > > You might abstract principles from other theories and say that they > > are relevant to some situation or some method of analysis, but to try > > to use them as the basis as a fundamental principle of mind is really > > out there. The fundamental principles of AGI have to be fundamental to > > thought. > > > > I have applied the method of my criticism to my own thinking and I > > have examined this criticism from different points of view and I still > > think this is a substantial critical view point. > > > > Jim Bromer > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > AGI > > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > > RSS Feed: > > https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279 > > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; Powered > by > > Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > http://goertzel.org > > "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress > depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/248029- > 82d9122f > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > -35e0de32 > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
