Take a look On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> wrote:
> just start up a word press page for now? > > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:14 PM, colin hales <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Brilliant! L place to begin. >> All this attention is appreciated. >> >> Real world calls. >> >> Cheers >> Colin >> ------------------------------ >> From: Mark Seveland <[email protected]> >> Sent: 20/05/2015 12:34 PM >> >> To: AGI <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence (IGI) >> >> +===================================+ >> | New Account Info | >> +===================================+ >> | Domain: instituteofgeneralintelligence.tk >> | Ip: 192.185.121.233 (n) >> | HasCgi: y >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I'm not a web developer as such. But I can set up Wordpress and a forum >>> if you like. >>> >>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:06 PM, colin hales <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Excellent.. It'll do for now.. Am not a web dev guy. Plant a flag and >>>> let it sit. Someone will have to own its development for a bit. While some >>>> proposed content takes shape. It doesn't have to be pretty! >>>> >>>> Time zone issues here. Gotta go. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Colin >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> From: Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: 20/05/2015 11:47 AM >>>> To: AGI <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence (IGI) >>>> >>>> I registered a free domain name >>>> INSTITUTEOFGENERALINTELLIGENCE.TK >>>> >>>> it is pointing to Mark's name servers. Who wants to create a hello >>>> world web page so we can test it? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I put in a backorder and found out igi.org t was gone >>>>> afterwards. Doh. >>>>> Does the predation have to start so soon? There's always a shark. >>>>> OK. I'll ask. May take a while. >>>>> Dorian... It's your name. Have you any alternatives if this shark >>>>> turns out to be too hungry? >>>>> Leave it there for the moment.a >>>>> :-) >>>>> colin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The domain name owner can be contacted at the e-mail address >>>>>> [email protected]. Ask him how much he wants for the domain. >>>>>> >>>>>> We can always just grab a free domain name and change later once the >>>>>> organization gets going. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I didn't buy igi.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The igi.org domain no longer seems to be offering its self for >>>>>>>> sale when I visit it. Did someone buy it already? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Logan, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Logan Streondj < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 09:48:03AM +1000, colin hales wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > Sorry about the previous empty. Phone issue. 10 thumbs. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > My particular flavour of the non-computer approach is >>>>>>>>>> irrelevant. I am not pushing my own at all. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Robot $ and kind irrelevant. I have the math you speak of. >>>>>>>>>> Wrong on both counts. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > I do not care what kind of NC-AGI arises. All I know is that >>>>>>>>>> NC-AGI important, neglected and needs a champion. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> okay so obviously you are the champion. >>>>>>>>>> Why is it important? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Because it's never been done. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> you guys have been talking about it for a week now, >>>>>>>>>> and I still have no idea why you think it has value. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> like lets be honest here, anything that isn't a computer or >>>>>>>>>> technology is biology. so what you are really talking about >>>>>>>>>> (seems to me) is biological-AGI, or connecting a vat of >>>>>>>>>> brain-cells to a computer. >>>>>>>>>> this has been done, and can play simple video games. >>>>>>>>>> but so can deep neuronets on computers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No it is not necessarily biology. H-AGI can use biological >>>>>>>>> material or make inorganic versions of the biological substrate. Mine >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> totally inorganic. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And while hooking bio material to other hardware has been done, it >>>>>>>>> has not been done by anyone headed in the direction of an AGI. Pure >>>>>>>>> wet >>>>>>>>> neuroscience? Yes. Machine learning? Yes. Robot control? Yes. This >>>>>>>>> particular approach is not what I intend. Dorian may be more >>>>>>>>> interested in >>>>>>>>> that. I don't want to stop anyone doing any of it just because it >>>>>>>>> clashes >>>>>>>>> with my own vision of it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > So please set anything you think you know about me or my >>>>>>>>>> approach aside. You actually know almost nothing and what little >>>>>>>>>> that is is >>>>>>>>>> irrelevant to what is happening in this thread. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> okay so do you have some kind of proprietary secret approach? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I was thinking you can Dorian can sign an NDA and then no one >>>>>>>>>> will ever know about anything you guys do. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> personally I think that there are a lot of potential ethical >>>>>>>>>> issues with using biological mediums for computation, also they >>>>>>>>>> aren't particularly scalable or portable. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I can see scalability. I can see portability. I can see >>>>>>>>> generativity. It will be clunky at first like all new ideas. It has an >>>>>>>>> organic and an inorganic aspect. All untried as H-AGI. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Both Dorian and I have written up and published everything that is >>>>>>>>> needed to get your head round the fundamentals, which I know can be >>>>>>>>> hard to >>>>>>>>> see for those without the biophysics. We have both argued for a long >>>>>>>>> time, >>>>>>>>> one way or another, that the approach is novel. The one-liner >>>>>>>>> explanation: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *H-AGI is where the brain physics essential to an AGI is >>>>>>>>> identified and included in an AGI substrate. This is achieved by >>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>> replicating the physics (organic/inorganic, doesn't matter) and >>>>>>>>> including >>>>>>>>> that physics on the substrate then and testing its performance against >>>>>>>>> alternatives that lack that physics (i.e. that might ignore it or >>>>>>>>> model it, >>>>>>>>> replacing it with the physics of the instantiation of the model, >>>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>>> that might be).* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So it's rather simple. Both Dorian and I have identified candidate >>>>>>>>> 'low-hanging fruit' physics. There may be others. That physics may be >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> crucial missing link that has dogged AGI for decades. If so, then all >>>>>>>>> activity that did not include that essential physics was actually >>>>>>>>> destined >>>>>>>>> to underperform in mysterious ways that it is H-AGIs job to sort out. >>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>> IGI, if it existed, would do that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes there are heaps of ethical issues with any AGI approach. The >>>>>>>>> H-AGI inorganic version will have one ethics/risk landscape, the H-AGI >>>>>>>>> organic version another. Both of these will contrast with the C-AGI >>>>>>>>> risk >>>>>>>>> landscape. In what ways? I dunno! 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