Your welcome. I need to head out here in a few, but should have Forums up and running later tonight.
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Dorian Aur <[email protected]> wrote: > Mark, that's excellent. We will probably need to use a faster way of > communication to develop new things once IGI is better shaped. > Best, > Dorian > > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Live chat room at the IGI website. >> http://instituteofgeneralintelligence.tk/chat/ >> >> Its not pretty, but it works. (working on customization) >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Its alive..... >>> >>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> +===================================+ >>>> | New Account Info | >>>> +===================================+ >>>> | Domain: instituteofgeneralintelligence.tk >>>> | Ip: 192.185.121.233 (n) >>>> | HasCgi: y >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not a web developer as such. But I can set up Wordpress and a >>>>> forum if you like. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:06 PM, colin hales <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Excellent.. It'll do for now.. Am not a web dev guy. Plant a flag and >>>>>> let it sit. Someone will have to own its development for a bit. While >>>>>> some >>>>>> proposed content takes shape. It doesn't have to be pretty! >>>>>> >>>>>> Time zone issues here. Gotta go. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Colin >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> From: Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: 20/05/2015 11:47 AM >>>>>> To: AGI <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence (IGI) >>>>>> >>>>>> I registered a free domain name >>>>>> INSTITUTEOFGENERALINTELLIGENCE.TK >>>>>> >>>>>> it is pointing to Mark's name servers. Who wants to create a hello >>>>>> world web page so we can test it? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I put in a backorder and found out igi.org t was gone >>>>>>> afterwards. Doh. >>>>>>> Does the predation have to start so soon? There's always a shark. >>>>>>> OK. I'll ask. May take a while. >>>>>>> Dorian... It's your name. Have you any alternatives if this shark >>>>>>> turns out to be too hungry? >>>>>>> Leave it there for the moment.a >>>>>>> :-) >>>>>>> colin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The domain name owner can be contacted at the e-mail address >>>>>>>> [email protected]. Ask him how much he wants for the >>>>>>>> domain. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We can always just grab a free domain name and change later once >>>>>>>> the organization gets going. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I didn't buy igi.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The igi.org domain no longer seems to be offering its self for >>>>>>>>>> sale when I visit it. Did someone buy it already? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Logan, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Logan Streondj < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 09:48:03AM +1000, colin hales wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> > Sorry about the previous empty. Phone issue. 10 thumbs. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > My particular flavour of the non-computer approach is >>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant. I am not pushing my own at all. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Robot $ and kind irrelevant. I have the math you speak of. >>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong on both counts. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > I do not care what kind of NC-AGI arises. All I know is that >>>>>>>>>>>> NC-AGI important, neglected and needs a champion. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> okay so obviously you are the champion. >>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it important? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Because it's never been done. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> you guys have been talking about it for a week now, >>>>>>>>>>>> and I still have no idea why you think it has value. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> like lets be honest here, anything that isn't a computer or >>>>>>>>>>>> technology is biology. so what you are really talking about >>>>>>>>>>>> (seems to me) is biological-AGI, or connecting a vat of >>>>>>>>>>>> brain-cells to a computer. >>>>>>>>>>>> this has been done, and can play simple video games. >>>>>>>>>>>> but so can deep neuronets on computers. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No it is not necessarily biology. H-AGI can use biological >>>>>>>>>>> material or make inorganic versions of the biological substrate. >>>>>>>>>>> Mine is >>>>>>>>>>> totally inorganic. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And while hooking bio material to other hardware has been done, >>>>>>>>>>> it has not been done by anyone headed in the direction of an AGI. >>>>>>>>>>> Pure wet >>>>>>>>>>> neuroscience? Yes. Machine learning? Yes. Robot control? Yes. This >>>>>>>>>>> particular approach is not what I intend. Dorian may be more >>>>>>>>>>> interested in >>>>>>>>>>> that. I don't want to stop anyone doing any of it just because it >>>>>>>>>>> clashes >>>>>>>>>>> with my own vision of it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > So please set anything you think you know about me or my >>>>>>>>>>>> approach aside. You actually know almost nothing and what little >>>>>>>>>>>> that is is >>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant to what is happening in this thread. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> okay so do you have some kind of proprietary secret approach? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking you can Dorian can sign an NDA and then no one >>>>>>>>>>>> will ever know about anything you guys do. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> personally I think that there are a lot of potential ethical >>>>>>>>>>>> issues with using biological mediums for computation, also they >>>>>>>>>>>> aren't particularly scalable or portable. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I can see scalability. I can see portability. I can see >>>>>>>>>>> generativity. It will be clunky at first like all new ideas. It has >>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>> organic and an inorganic aspect. All untried as H-AGI. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Both Dorian and I have written up and published everything that >>>>>>>>>>> is needed to get your head round the fundamentals, which I know can >>>>>>>>>>> be hard >>>>>>>>>>> to see for those without the biophysics. We have both argued for a >>>>>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>>>>> time, one way or another, that the approach is novel. The one-liner >>>>>>>>>>> explanation: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *H-AGI is where the brain physics essential to an AGI is >>>>>>>>>>> identified and included in an AGI substrate. This is achieved by >>>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>>> replicating the physics (organic/inorganic, doesn't matter) and >>>>>>>>>>> including >>>>>>>>>>> that physics on the substrate then and testing its performance >>>>>>>>>>> against >>>>>>>>>>> alternatives that lack that physics (i.e. that might ignore it or >>>>>>>>>>> model it, >>>>>>>>>>> replacing it with the physics of the instantiation of the model, >>>>>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>>>>> that might be).* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So it's rather simple. Both Dorian and I have identified >>>>>>>>>>> candidate 'low-hanging fruit' physics. There may be others. That >>>>>>>>>>> physics >>>>>>>>>>> may be the crucial missing link that has dogged AGI for decades. If >>>>>>>>>>> so, >>>>>>>>>>> then all activity that did not include that essential physics was >>>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>>> destined to underperform in mysterious ways that it is H-AGIs job >>>>>>>>>>> to sort >>>>>>>>>>> out. The IGI, if it existed, would do that. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes there are heaps of ethical issues with any AGI approach. The >>>>>>>>>>> H-AGI inorganic version will have one ethics/risk landscape, the >>>>>>>>>>> H-AGI >>>>>>>>>>> organic version another. Both of these will contrast with the C-AGI >>>>>>>>>>> risk >>>>>>>>>>> landscape. In what ways? I dunno! 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