Thanks Steve, I have been using the term uploading meaning downloading being unaware about what the mainstream means with uploading which I also think unconceivable and unnecessary. Why, the hell we should aim to end up in a box?
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Steve Richfield <steve.richfi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Marco, > > *downloading*: placing a human consciousness into an electomechanical > computerized body.that continues to function in the real world. This is the > "live forever machine" that in production would probably be worth more than > the total value of the Earth, because people would gladly mortgage their > futures to have futures. > > *uploading*: placing a human consciousness into a VR computer system > having no bodies or real-world presence. This appears to be at once > probably more difficult than downloading because you would have to simulate > EVERYTHING instead of "just" a human, and is little better than death for > most people. > > *PR*: Acronym for *P*ublic *R*elations - the art and science of > presenting a good image to the public. > > *Steve* > ========= > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Marco Alpini <marcoalpin...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Steve, what do you mean with downloading? an augmentation of our brain >> capabilities with internal or external devices? What is PR? >> >> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Steve Richfield < >> steve.richfi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Logan, >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Logan Streondj <streo...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Cosmism seems to be the religion espoused by top tier AGI researchers. >>>> Namely Ben Goertzel and Hugo De Garis, though some others have also >>>> written books about Cosmism recently. >>>> >>> >>> Create-your-own God. Myself, I prefer our present godless world. Heaven >>> would be SUCH a drag. >>> >>>> >>>> I've always felt my life path was to be a spiritual leader, >>>> >>> >>> Spiritual has to do with what can NOT be presently proven false. Now >>> that there are solid proofs that present religions like Judaism, >>> Christianity, and Islam are false, some people look to AGI. Of course once >>> constructed, AGI will no longer be a religion - it will be technology. >>> >>> >>>> and I'm rather interested in the PR of AGI. >>>> >>> >>> What are the bounds on what you call AGI? Does this include uploading? >>> Downloading? Enhancement of individuals (like you and me) to full AGI >>> capability? Etc? >>> >>> Unless you have thought out these questions VERY carefully - MUCH more >>> carefully than the people you now cite, PR will bring disaster to AGI as >>> others with different opinions react in unfortunate ways. >>> >>> >>>> Having a strong group of people that share the vision of beneficial AGI >>>> future, is conducive to good legislation and funding. >>>> >>> >>> No, the most likely result would be legislation AGAINST a potential >>> world-ending technology. Just like bathroom atomic experimentation is now >>> illegal, AGI research would become illegal. >>> >>> However, if you were to "succeed" in attracting "good" legislation and >>> funding, you would then be up against the situation that SO many have >>> written about - that there are countless ways that an AGI could destroy us >>> all, and NO viable approach to protect us from that - leading to our >>> eventual doom no matter WHAT we did to delay/avoid that end. >>> >>>> >>>> Turing Church and some Transhumanist associations seem to be what is >>>> available. >>>> >>> >>> What is REALLY needed is a leader pulling people to a more tractable >>> path. There is WAY too much that is presently unknown about how we work to >>> ever program a computer to emulate it, or even understand it, even with >>> limitless intelligence. >>> >>> The one shining light I see is to concentrate on technologies leading to >>> downloading - which is why I have put so much effort into a >>> super-microscope capable of diagramming brains. My hope is that downloading >>> outruns the current misdirected wave of people trying to program computers >>> to think, so PEOPLE remain in charge, rather than a new specie of computer >>> that has NO interest beyond simple curiosity in our preservation. >>> >>> In short, given the presence of hazards like Ben and Hugo, downloading >>> becomes MUCH more than "just" about living forever or making LOTS of money. >>> It becomes about saving the human race from the AGI that some fools on this >>> forum seek to build. >>> >>> Steve >>> ============= >>> >>>> tfgrq >>>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac> | >>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. Simply institute a >>> six hour workday. 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