> > For instance, in relation to memory capacity. let's say I could live
> > for the age of the universe, roughly 15 billion years. I believe the
> > human mind(without enhancement of any kind) is capable of remembering
> > every detail of every day for that entire lifespan.
>
> That is contrary to actual experience. Many of the elderly complain of
> difficulty in forming new memories.
That is because of a defect in the brain, not the Mind.
>
> > I believe it is an error to reduce memory and thought to the
> > calculations that Kurzweil and Alan put forth.
>
> Egad! I'm being compared to Kurzweil the Weenie... =\
>
Sorry, but your analysis smacked of his...
> The entire point of the entire AGI enterprise is to reduce memory and
> thought to calculations.
That's fine, I wish you luck, but I still have that sawbuck in my pocket...
>
> > Clearly we have had incredibly fast processors, yet we can't even
> > create something that can effectively navigate a room, or talk to me,
> > or reason or completely simulate an ant.
>
> All of those are software problems.
That's the argument we've heard for some time. I think Ben is closer to
anyone in having a true mapping of the
brain and its capabilities. As to whether it ultimately develops the
emergent qualities we speak of..time will tell...even
if it falls short of singularity type hype, i believe it can provide
tremendous benefits to humanity, and that's what I care about.
>
> > How can they reconcile that?? If they say "we don't know how to
> > program that yet". then I say "well then stop saying that
> > the singularity is near striclty because of processor speed\memory
> > projections. Processor speed is irrelevant when you have no idea how
> > to use them!"
>
> Okay, I have some theories... Unfortunately I'm only a theorist so I'll
> need some code-slaves to make any progress but I think that's doable.
>
> The research machine that I tried to build a few months ago (and is
> still sitting in pieces) will only be a high end PC. It should be enough
> to make excelant progress even though it only uses 1.2 ghz processors...
I'm new to AI, but I am reading Norvigs book and one of the first things he
says is that what's important
is not what you can theorize, its what you can actually **DO**. If you
can't encode it...Its just an unproven theory
>
> > It is true that few humans reach this capacity i describe above. I
> > would call them human singularities. Therer have only been a handful
> > in history.
>
> Then we'll worry about dealing with the mein intelligence first. ;)
I would suggest this is negligent on your part, but that's your choice..
>
> > But it's important to note that these capabilities are within each of
> > us.
>
> As you said, only savants. I am surely not one of them.
I never said savants. the only reason you and I haven't become a
"singularity" is because we are steeped in delusion and somewhat lazy.
>
> > I will go as far to say that any computer system we develop, even one
> > that realizes all the promises of the singularity, can only match the
> > capacity of the human Mind. Why? Because the universe is the Mind
> > itself, and the computational capacity of the universe is rather
> > immense and cannot be exceeded by something created within its own
> > domain.
>
> This is almost theistic... You should check your endorphine levels.
>
If you read any discussion of the Singularity, its hard to separate what is
being said from theism. These machines are given God like qualities and
powers. It smacks almost of a new religion with its dogma 1's and 0's, but
reeks of the same old idea that "i am flawed and weak and small and mortal
and I want to be super and sumpremely smart and immortal!" I can't blame
people for looking for such things as the human condition is a rather sad
one....
Good luck Alan!
Kevin
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