On 5/8/06, James Ratcliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thats a real fundamental problem though. We can make an AI intelligent
without modeling the human learning process, but only to a point. If we
continue down that path, just working on the intelligence aspect seperate
from human experiences, what we wind up creating is something vastly alien.
Sorry I didn't make myself clear: of course we do want to model "the
human learning process", as far as the mechanism is concerned. What we
don't and cannot model too closely is the content.
For example, an AI should be able to do analogy and to use metaphors,
just like us. However, they may have quite different opinion on
whether a concrete analogy or metaphor is good or bad, compared to the
opinion of a typical human being.
Think about something as simple as eating and using the restroom. We can
start out with an AI that doesnt include those really, because they are not
necessary for intelligence, and the robot would have no need for these
things. But now think about a AI Assistant that doesnt know or relate to
these ideas. He would start scheduling things during lunch, or designing
buildings without bathrooms. At some point in time it would start diverging
greatly from our basic human functions and ways of life.
An AI Assistant will surely know these human needs, though it doen't
have to have it itself.
So it appears plain to me that we really do have to build them "In our
image" programming and aiming them for most of the ways we live.
To degree, yes, but to perfectly duplicate a human is not necessary
for AI. Even if it is possible (which I doubt), it will follow a very
defferent path of R&D.
This does not necessarily, restrict them to learning in the same ways that
we learn. For instance, they have the ability to read large amounts of text
very rapidly, and that will be agood starting point for them.
Sure, though it may not be as easy as many people assume. It is easy
to load a huge text file into a computer, but it is under the
condition that the system only needs to store it, but not to "absorb"
it to the extent that its content can be applied flexibly in the
future.
While mobility and vision processing is a much harder action for them.
I'm not sure about whether it will remains to be the case in the future.
Pei
James Ratcliff
Pei Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 5/7/06, sanjay padmane wrote:
>
> On 5/7/06, Pei Wang wrote:
> >
> > AI
> > doesn't necessarily follow the same path as how human intelligence is
> > produced, even though it is indeed the only path that has been proved
> > to work so far.
> >
>
>
> IMO, if a machine achieves true intelligence via a system that is entirely
> different from brain, it must, at some point in time, mirror a humanlike
> intelligence, as one of its modules, in order to effectively communicate
to
> humans.
Agree. There are many practical reasons to do so. However, since an AI
won't have exactly human experience, it will not behave exactly as a
human. More importantly, to behave as a human is not a necessary
condition for a system to be considered as intelligent.
> Such situation may arise if the AI grows out of an ideal seed and
transforms
> into something totally different from humans. But because humans are
> responsible for its fabrication at this time and are using various short
> cuts, taken from the knowledge of self, it is more likely that the AI will
> be mostly humanlike in a crude way and will transform into a different
kind
> (possibly better), while keeping the human 'parts'.
The AI's knowledge base will surely have overlap with ours, though
won't be identical, even at the very beginning.
Pei
> -Sanjay
>
>
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