Why must you argue with everything I say? Is this not a sensible
statement?
I don't argue with everything you say. I only argue with things that I
believe are wrong. And no, the statements "You cannot turn off hunger or
pain. You cannot control your emotions are *NOT* sensible at all.
You don't decide to be hungry or not, because animals
that could do so were removed from the gene pool.
Funny, I always thought that it was the animals that continued eating while
being stalked were the ones that were removed from the gene pool (suddenly
and bloodily). Yes, you eventually have to feed yourself or you die and
animals mal-adapted enough to not feed themselves will no longer contribute
to the gene pool, but can you disprove the equally likely contention that
animals eat because it is very pleasurable to them and that they never feel
hunger (or do you only have sex because it hurts when you don't)?
Is this not a sensible way to program the top level goals for an AGI?
No. It's a terrible way to program the top level goals for an AGI. It
leads to wireheading, short-circuiting of true goals for faking out the
evaluation criteria, and all sorts of other problems.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Mahoney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <agi@v2.listbox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: Motivational Systems of an AI [WAS Re: [agi] RSI - What is it
and how fast?]
--- Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You cannot turn off hunger or pain. You cannot
> control your emotions.
Huh? Matt, can you really not ignore hunger or pain? Are you really
100%
at the mercy of your emotions?
Why must you argue with everything I say? Is this not a sensible
statement?
> Since the synaptic weights cannot be altered by
> training (classical or operant conditioning)
Who says that synaptic weights cannot be altered? And there's endless
irrefutable evidence that the sum of synaptic weights is certainly
constantly altering by the directed die-off of neurons.
But not by training. You don't decide to be hungry or not, because
animals
that could do so were removed from the gene pool.
Is this not a sensible way to program the top level goals for an AGI?
-- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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