> PowerBuilder and Visual FoxPro. Everyone is entitled to their > opinion but if Math wasn't required at all in all my career, I fail > to see how it is necessary for the creation on an AGI or
Building an AGI without math, I wonder what the design would look like. > different creature. How much Math do you think is > used by the brains of most human beings? Lots. What math is not in there? Where did all our math come from? That one string of zeros and ones that your whole computer language boils down into and can be described with, how many bits is it and how many bits can one brain be described with, and what would the mapping be between your language's string and a brain's string. If you could simplify that mapping by incorporating some of it into your language's string, there could be some pretty useful features in there. > Would you define total introspection and many built-in tools to create > efficient programs using programs to be "same old things rehashed"? Yes. For a language to succeed nowadays, there are new ones all the time, you need something to get people using it. If you could imagine a really, really super advanced language created by super-intelligent giant brained aliens (seriously) or created by their alien supercomputer, what would that language be like? Would it be a mishmash of lowest common denominators of current "earth" computer languages permuted into something different and optimized a little more? What would it really have. It would have features that are breathtaking. Would it have for-loops where the syntax is changed a little? Or OOP enhanced just a bit? No. You would see stuff that would make your eyes twitch. This may sound like a crazy way of looking at it and perhaps for some not really useful but what reference points do we have for new languages that would be useful? I'm sure your language is more than just a rehash and I'm not trying to put it down I'm just trying to generate some ideas because realistically you could add one unique feature that could potentially propel it into stardom. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <agi@v2.listbox.com> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:26 PM Subject: RE: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda > Enhancements to existing computer languages or new computer languages that > could possibly grease the wheels for AGI development would be aligning the > language more closely to mathematics. Many of the computer languages are > the same old things rehashed in different though new and evolutionarily > better ways but nothing I've seen too revolutionary. Same old looping > structures, classes, OOP, etc.. nothing new. But if someone could add some > handy math structures into the language - group/ring theory, category > theory, advanced graph structures have this stuff built right in not > utilized through add-ons or libraries or coded in house. These math > structures should be standardized and made part of the language now. > Believe me, non mathematician programmers would learn these tools rapidly > and use them in new and exciting ways. Now many are going in all sorts of > wild goose chase directions due to lack of standard mathematical guidance > built in. Growing a crop of potential AGI developers who don't need no math > PHd's would happen if this came about. Granted good C++ coders can > accomplish just about "anything" with the language, there is a complexity > overhead tradeoff that needs to be maintained in doing so (in exchange for > speed usually in C++). But as many here understand, having good patterns, > algorithms and particularly math systems and structures, speed issues can be > bridged and many times eliminated by designing and solving things through > math verses CPU cycles. Now naturally AGI systems can and do have > handcrafted or other incorporated languages built in, these too many times > suffer from the same limitations. Though I imagine certain AGI's have some > pretty advanced languages cooked up inside. And perhaps these are the ones > that grapple more efficiently with machine and network resource > limitations.... > > John ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303 ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303
