John: >I think that there really needs to be more very specifically defined
quantitative measures of intelligence. ...Other qualities like creativity and imagination would need to be
measured in other ways.

The only kind of intelligence you can measure with any precision is narrow AI - convergent intelligence. That's what education marks out of 100 in tests with right/wrong answers.

The other kind - AGI - divergent intelligence - can't be marked mathematically - can only be graded. That's what education gives grades to - Excellent/ Very Good/ Good/ Poor etc. You can't mark essays/ projects, for example, with precision, (or indeed the socially creative projects like novels/ new business plans/.(Navemente/A2I)). And they're half of education and half of intelligence. Sorry if that distresses those who can't live without maths - but that's life.

P.S. It's worth pointing out that there are TWO kinds of intelligence - and there can be NO ARGUMENT about that here. You can argue about their definitions, not about their twoness. So Ben's and Pei's "mono" definitions of intelligence, for example, are a priori wrong. How can one be so dogmatic? Well, you guys have, for a start, to be able to distinguish between narrow AI and AGI, (which by my maths makes two kinds of intelligence) - otherwise you might as well cut your own throats professionally speaking.


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