You mean I wasted my time and money by buying and reading the Novamente article in "Artificial General Intelligence" when I could have bought the new and improved "Advances in Artificial General Intelligence." What a rip off!
Ed -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 5:24 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] An AGI Test/Prize Ah, gotcha... The recent book "Advances in Artificial General Intelligence" gives a bunch more detail than those, actually (though not as much of the conceptual motivations as The Hidden Pattern) ... but not nearly as much as the not-yet-released stuff... -- Ben On 10/20/07, Edward W. Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ben, The books I was referring to were "The Hidden Pattern" and "Artificial General Intelligence", both of which I purchased from Amazon. I know you have a better description, but what is in these two books is quite helpful. Ed Porter -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 4:01 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] An AGI Test/Prize On 10/20/07, Edward W. Porter < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: John, So rather than a definition of intelligence you want a recipe for how to make a one? Goertzel's descriptions of Novamente in his two recent books are the closest, publicly-available approximation of that of which I currently know. Actually my book on how to build an AGI are not publicly available at this point ... but I'm strongly leaning toward making them so ... it's mostly just a matter of finding time to proofread them, remove obsolete ideas, etc. and generally turn them from draft manuscripts into finalized manuscripts. I have already let a bunch of people read the drafts... Of course, a problem with putting material like this in dead-tree form is that the ideas are evolving. We learn new stuff as we proceed through implementing the stuff in the books.... But the basic framework (knowledge rep, algorithms, cognitive architecture, teaching methodology) has not changed as we've proceed through the work so far, just some of the "details" (wherein the devil famously lies ;-) -- Ben Edward W. Porter Porter & Associates 24 String Bridge S12 Exeter, NH 03833 (617) 494-1722 Fax (617) 494-1822 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: John G. Rose [mailto: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 3:16 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com <mailto:agi@v2.listbox.com> Subject: RE: [agi] An AGI Test/Prize No you are not mundane. All these things on the list (or most) are very well to be expected from a generally intelligent system or its derivatives. But I have this urge, being a software developer, to smash all these things up into their constituent components, partition commonalties, eliminate dupes, and perhaps further smash up into an atomic representation of intelligence as little intelligent engines that can be combined in various ways to build higher level functions. Kind of like a cellular automata approach and perhaps CA structures can be used. I really don't want to waste 10 years developing a giant piece of bloatage code that never fully works. Better to exhaust all possibilities in the mind and on paper as much as possible as software dev can be a giant PIA mess if not thought out beforehand as much as possible. Yes you can go so far before doing prototyping and testing but certain prototypes can take many months to build. Several on this email list have already gotten to this point and it may be more productive digesting their systems instead of reinventingÂ… Even so that leaves many questions open about testing. Someone can claim they have AGI but how do you really know, could be just a highly sophisticated chatterbot. John From: Edward W. Porter [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] I guess I am mundane. I don't spend a lot of time thinking about a "definition of intelligence." Goertzel's is good enough for me. Instead I think in terms of what I want these machines to do -- which includes human-level: -NL understanding and generation (including discourse level) -Speech recognition and generation (including appropriate pitch and volume modulation) -Non-speech auditory recognition and generation -Visual recognition and real time video generation -World-knowledge representation, understanding and reasoning -Computer program understanding and generation -Common sense reasoning -Cognition -Context sensitivity -Automatic learning -Intuition -Creativity -Inventiveness -Understanding human nature and human desires and goals(not expecting full human-level here) -Ability to scan and store and, over time, convert and incorporate into learned deep structure vast amounts of knowledge including ultimately all available recorded knowledge To do such thinking I have come up with a fairly uniform approach to all these tasks, so I guess you could call that approach something approaching "a theory of intelligence". But I mainly think of it as a theory of how to get certain really cool things done. I don't expect to get what is listed all at once, but, barring some major set back, this will probably all happen (with perhaps partial exception on the last item) within twenty years, and with the right people getting big money most of it could substantially all happen in ten. In addition, as we get closer to the threshold I think "intelligence" (at least from our perspective) should include: -helping make individual people, human organizations, and human government more intelligent, happy, cooperative, and peaceful -helping creating a transition into the future that is satisfying for most humans Edward W. 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