Ah, gotcha... The recent book "Advances in Artificial General Intelligence" gives a bunch more detail than those, actually (though not as much of the conceptual motivations as The Hidden Pattern) ... but not nearly as much as the not-yet-released stuff...
-- Ben On 10/20/07, Edward W. Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ben, > > The books I was referring to were "The Hidden Pattern" and "Artificial > General Intelligence", both of which I purchased from Amazon. I know you > have a better description, but what is in these two books is quite helpful. > > Ed Porter > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Benjamin Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Saturday, October 20, 2007 4:01 PM > *To:* agi@v2.listbox.com > *Subject:* Re: [agi] An AGI Test/Prize > > > On 10/20/07, Edward W. Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John, > > > > So rather than a definition of intelligence you want a recipe for how to > make a one? > > > > Goertzel's descriptions of Novamente in his two recent books are the > closest, publicly-available approximation of that of which I currently > know. > > > Actually my book on how to build an AGI are not publicly available at this > point ... but I'm strongly leaning toward making them so ... it's mostly > just a matter of finding time to proofread them, remove obsolete ideas, etc. > and generally turn them from draft manuscripts into finalized manuscripts. > I have already let a bunch of people read the drafts... > > Of course, a problem with putting material like this in dead-tree form is > that the ideas are evolving. We learn new stuff as we proceed through > implementing the stuff in the books.... But the basic framework (knowledge > rep, algorithms, cognitive architecture, teaching methodology) has not > changed as we've proceed through the work so far, just some of the "details" > (wherein the devil famously lies ;-) > > -- Ben > > > Edward W. Porter > > Porter & Associates > > 24 String Bridge S12 > > Exeter, NH 03833 > > (617) 494-1722 > > Fax (617) 494-1822 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -----Original Message----- > > *From:* John G. Rose [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *Sent:* Saturday, October 20, 2007 3:16 PM > > *To:* agi@v2.listbox.com > > *Subject:* RE: [agi] An AGI Test/Prize > > > > No you are not mundane. All these things on the list (or most) are very > > well to be expected from a generally intelligent system or its derivatives. > > But I have this urge, being a software developer, to smash all these things > > up into their constituent components, partition commonalties, eliminate > > dupes, and perhaps further smash up into an atomic representation of > > intelligence as little intelligent engines that can be combined in various > > ways to build higher level functions. Kind of like a cellular automata > > approach and perhaps CA structures can be used. I really don't want to waste > > 10 years developing a giant piece of bloatage code that never fully works. > > Better to exhaust all possibilities in the mind and on paper as much as > > possible as software dev can be a giant PIA mess if not thought out > > beforehand as much as possible. Yes you can go so far before doing > > prototyping and testing but certain prototypes can take many months to > > build. > > > > > > > > Several on this email list have already gotten to this point and it may > > be more productive digesting their systems instead of reinventing… Even so > > that leaves many questions open about testing. Someone can claim they have > > AGI but how do you really know, could be just a highly sophisticated > > chatterbot. > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Edward W. Porter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > I guess I am mundane. I don't spend a lot of time thinking about a > > "definition of intelligence." Goertzel's is good enough for me. > > > > > > > > Instead I think in terms of what I want these machines to do -- which > > includes human-level: > > > > > > > > -NL understanding and generation (including discourse level) > > > > -Speech recognition and generation (including appropriate pitch and > > volume modulation) > > > > -Non-speech auditory recognition and generation > > > > -Visual recognition and real time video generation > > > > -World-knowledge representation, understanding and reasoning > > > > -Computer program understanding and generation > > > > -Common sense reasoning > > > > -Cognition > > > > -Context sensitivity > > > > -Automatic learning > > > > -Intuition > > > > -Creativity > > > > -Inventiveness > > > > -Understanding human nature and human desires and goals(not expecting > > full human-level here) > > > > -Ability to scan and store and, over time, convert and incorporate into > > learned deep structure vast amounts of knowledge including ultimately all > > available recorded knowledge > > > > . > > > > > > > > To do such thinking I have come up with a fairly uniform approach to all > > these tasks, so I guess you could call that approach something > > approaching "a theory of intelligence". But I mainly think of it as a > > theory of how to get certain really cool things done. > > > > > > > > I don't expect to get what is listed all at once, but, barring some > > major set back, this will probably all happen (with perhaps partial > > exception on the last item) within twenty years, and with the right people > > getting big money most of it could substantially all happen in ten. > > > > > > > > In addition, as we get closer to the threshold I think "intelligence" > > (at least from our perspective) should include: > > > > > > > > -helping make individual people, human organizations, and human > > government more intelligent, happy, cooperative, and peaceful > > > > -helping creating a transition into the future that is satisfying > > for most humans > > > > > > > > Edward W. 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