I doubt that 3D object recognition is integral to 'genuine intelligence'. Theoretically, if we had an AGI we should be able to put it in a simulated 2D world and it would still act intelligently.
IMO language is integral to strong AI in the same way that logic is integral to mathematics. If you think about it, human languages are basically higher order logics with fuzzy expressions, probabilities and context. That sounds like a fabulous description of the higher order logic our brains use internally to store thoughts. I haven't read any of Steels stuff lately, either. I'm not sure if any of the language he's generating is higher order, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss emergent language generation as a trick for just 5 minute demos. -J On Feb 4, 2008 12:34 AM, Bob Mottram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I havn't read any of Luc Steels stuff for a long time, but he has been > researching the evolution of language using robots or software agents > since the early 1990s. This is really a symbol grounding problem > where the communication in some way needs to represent things or > situations which the agent can perceive with its sensors. > > Some years ago I tried to do something similar to Pierre Oudeyers > video using a humanoid robot - presenting objects and saying "this is > a..." or "what is this?" or "Is this a...?". I didn't go very far > down this route because I found that visual recognition of objects > constitutes the major part of the problem. It is possible to use SIFT > features and geometric hashes (which I think is what the AIBO robot is > doing in this demo) but these 2D methods just aren't very good on > objects with complicated 3D shapes. Since I'm interested in making > machines which are genuinely intelligent, as opposed to appearing to > be intelligent in a five minute demo, I've spent most of my efforts on > the 3D object recognition problem. It turns out that other things are > fundamentally related to this problem, such as mapping, navigation and > SLAM. > > > > > On 03/02/2008, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jeez there's always something new. Anyone know about this (which seems at a > > glance loosely relevant to Ben's approach) ? > > > > http://www.emergent-languages.org/ > > > > Overview > > > > This site provides an introduction to the research on emergent and > > evolutionary languages as conducted at the Sony Computer Science Laboratory > > in Paris and the AI-Lab at the VUB in Brussels. One of the principle > > objectives of this research is to identify the cognitive capabilities that > > artificial agents must posses to enable, in a population of such agents, the > > emergence and evolution of a language that exhibits characteristic features > > identified in natural languages. > > > > Looks like Sony- Aibo- financed. Luc Steels seems to be a principal figure. > > This is quite fun: > > > > http://www.csl.sony.fr/~py/clickerTraining.htm > > > > Here he explains/justifies his approach: > > > > http://www.csl.sony.fr/downloads/papers/2006/steels-06a.pdf > > > > And how did I get to all this? From, tangentially, Construction Grammar, > > which is yet another interesting aspect of cognitive linguistics: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_grammar > > > > > > ----- > > This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email > > To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: > > http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; > > > > ----- > This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email > To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: > http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; > ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=93269357-79b910
