That list wasn't about the comparison with .NET, I only added a couple of words about .NET at the end. I deliberately used specifiers such as "a bit" or "sufficiently" to imply relation with the problem and not with other languages, that is to show why I think it's adequate for the task, not that it's optimal. C# may have advantages over Java, but it doesn't mean that these advantages are particularly relevant for a particular project. As Ben noted, even C++ goes, even when it clearly doesn't have some of the important features that even Java has, let alone .NET. As for language anarhcy and feature bloating that .NET provides, it is not necessarily a good thing, project needs to enforce reasonable uniformity to be manageable.
On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How is Java is *more* clear and understandable? > > The IDE is *known* to be inferior. Are you arguing otherwise. > > Every modern language has garbage collection. > > Java has a functional programming stance? No, it does not. Look at what > you can do in the newest version of C# much less F#. If you believe that > Java has functional programming, you don't have any clue what you are > talking about. > > Java's infrastructure is *much* smaller than that of .Net and fragmented. > > Everybody knows it? The way syntax is these days, everybody knows Java and > C# and VB.Net because they're basically the same language. > > It is *not* any more portable for any sufficiently advanced application than > anything else. > > Oh, and for your reference, the vast majority of .Net is actually open and > has been submitted to standards bodies. The problem is that Microsoft > advances it faster than the less-interested Linux people can port it so Mono > always looks seriously inferior to what's available on Windows. What's > going to be embarrassing is about three to five years down the line when > Mono kicks Java's butt *and* it's still vastly inferior to what is available > under Windows at that time. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vladimir Nesov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <agi@v2.listbox.com> > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 8:48 AM > Subject: Re: [agi] More Info Please > > >> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> And what is the value proposition of Java over any other language? It >>> has >>> no unique features. It's development is lagging. It's developers are >>> defecting (again, look at the statistics). It's fragmenting just like >>> Unix >>> so it certainly isn't as portable as claimed. >>> >> >> Java is clear and understandable, with clean semantics so that you can >> refactor the code without breaking it and IDE knows its way around the >> codebase, has garbage collection, a bit of functional programming >> stance, is fast enough, has decent infrastructure and everybody knows >> it. A bit verbose, but I haven't found it to be a serious problem. If >> you don't need fragmented odd parts, it's sufficiently portable. If >> you decide between .NET and Java, tradeoff is more subtle, as they are >> essentially the same thing, except that .NET is not open and more >> bloated -- which is more important for a particular project? I guess >> openness outweighs is for an open-source project. >> >> -- >> Vladimir Nesov >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> agi >> Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ >> Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > agi > Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: > http://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > -- Vladimir Nesov [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=103754539-40ed26 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
