Also, YKY, I can't help but note that your currently approach seems extremely similar to Texai (which seems quite similar to Cyc to me), more so than to OpenCog Prime (my proposal for a Novamente-like system built on OpenCog, not yet fully documented but I'm actively working on the docs now).
I wonder why you don't join Stephen Reed on the texai project? Is it because you don't like the open-source nature of his project? ben On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One thing I don't get, YKY, is why you think you are going to take > textbook methods that have already been shown to fail, and somehow > make them work. Can't you see that many others have tried to use > FOL and ILP already, and they've run into intractable combinatorial > explosion problems? > > Some may argue that my approach isn't radical **enough** (and in spite > of my innate inclination toward radicalism, I'm trying hard in my AGI work > to be no more radical than is really needed, out of a desire to save time/ > effort by reusing others' insights wherever possible) ... but at least I'm > introducing a host of clearly novel technical ideas. > > What you seem to be suggesting is just to implement material from > textbooks on a large knowledge base. > > Why do you think you're gonna make it work? Because you're gonna > build a bigger KB than Cyc has built w/ their 20 years of effort and > tens to hundreds of million of dollars of US gov't funding??? > > -- Ben G > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 3:46 PM, YKY (Yan King Yin) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Ben, >> >> Note that I did not pick FOL as my starting point because I wanted to >> go against you, or be a troublemaker. I chose it because that's what >> the textbooks I read were using. There is nothing personal here. >> It's just like Chinese being my first language because I was born in >> China. I don't speak bad English just to sound different. >> >> I think the differences in our approaches are equally superficial. I >> don't think there is a compelling reason why your formalism is >> superior (or inferior, for that matter). >> >> You have domain-specific heuristics; I'm planning to have >> domain-specific heuristics too. >> >> The question really boils down to whether we should collaborate or >> not. And if we want meaningful collaboration, everyone must exert a >> little effort to make it happen. It cannot be one-way. >> >> YKY >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> agi >> Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ >> Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC > Director of Research, SIAI > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "If men cease to believe that they will one day become gods then they > will surely become worms." > -- Henry Miller > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] "If men cease to believe that they will one day become gods then they will surely become worms." -- Henry Miller ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=103754539-40ed26 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
